11. Debate: Coronavirus

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:37 pm on 20 October 2020.

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Photo of Huw Irranca-Davies Huw Irranca-Davies Labour 5:37, 20 October 2020

I speak briefly in support of the main motion put forward in the names of Rebecca Evans and Siân Gwenllian. This is a moment when decisive leadership really matters: leadership at the top of Government, leadership in political parties, and leadership from us in the communities that we represent. And I commend the leadership that is being shown by the First Minister and by Welsh Government, represented by my own party of Welsh Labour, of course, but also with representation from the Welsh Liberal Democrats and an independent member of the Government, who have come to a difficult but collective decision on the best way forward for Wales and the people of Wales, based on the evidence and the data showing the rise in the virus. I commend also the leadership shown by the support of Plaid Cymru, with this motion jointly laid in their name too, recognising, as we've just heard, the urgency of the situation.

Moreover, I commend the leadership of front-line nurses and doctors, and allied professionals and unions, who have supported the measures proposed because they know first-hand directly the rising threat to our NHS unless we turn this virus back on its heels. I also commend the individual leadership in their homes and their workplaces, their families and their communities of the vast majority of the people of Wales—in my area of Ogmore, but throughout Wales—who've led by example. By complying with the rules and the guidance so far, they've helped to slow the rise and the spread of the virus below that which we see in other parts of the United Kingdom.

So, First Minister, health Minister and others, I support the measures proposed and the firebreak encompassed in the motion before us today, but in doing so, I would also ask you to consider some important questions. The additional economic measures and financial measures are hugely welcome, but I wonder if you could outline how the discretionary fund that's available to local authorities will work. Will it be available to especially those smaller self-employed businesses that have fallen outside the criteria of support for business rate relief and related support because they have no premises or they're below the turnover threshold for the ERF, set at £50,000, or they're not VAT registered, or they're relatively new start-up businesses that, over the last two or three years, have sunk their costs into the start-up and cannot therefore demonstrate high profit or turnover? So, will this discretionary fund, which I really welcome, be able to consider any of these small entrepreneurs who have slipped between the current stools of business and job support? And if so, how do they go about it and how easy is it to apply?

And also, in respect of business and job support, can he continue to make, as First Minister, representations to the UK Government to work with us in Wales by ensuring that job support is in place in time for our timely firebreak measures? It's not our fault, after all, that the Prime Minister is delaying and dithering on wider measures in England. But can I also urge him to press them to rethink the level of support for job retention, which will drop, as we know, from the furloughed level of 80 per cent to just over 67 per cent? It seems like Cabinet Ministers in the UK Government don't understand that a landlord will not accept 67 per cent of the rent, the supermarket will not accept 67 per cent of the food trolley bill, the electric and gas supplier is not going to accept 67 per cent of the energy bill, or the mortgage company 67 per cent of that month's payment.

And finally and crucially, could he lay out, straightforwardly, honestly, clearly today for the people of Wales what confidence he and the Government have that if we all do our bit, if we all comply with the rules for 17 days from this Friday at 6.00 p.m., this will indeed knock the virus back on its heels again, get us to Christmas and within sight of the new year, and what more we may then need to do to get us to Easter and to the summer, and the realistic hope of medical interventions, including vaccines, which may help us live with COVID-19 going forward? Thank you, Presiding Officer.