Llywydd, we just have a completely different point of view. The Member is in favour of separatism. It is for him to make the case for that, not for me to explain why I think he is in error. I make the positive case for membership of the United Kingdom. Wales, which has our own independent powers here in the Senedd, which has exercised those powers independently throughout the whole of the coronavirus crisis, at the same time is able to draw on that wider pool of resources that we have through our membership of a United Kingdom, where the needs of working people in Wales are very similar to the needs of working people in other parts of the United Kingdom, and where that sense of solidarity extends beyond our border. The Member's not in favour of that. He wishes to take Wales out of the United Kingdom, to separate us off from everything that we do with others in, as I believe, in my party, the wider labour movement. He can make his case and the people of Wales will decide, but I fundamentally disagree with him.