Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:54 pm on 3 November 2020.
I thank the Minister very much for his statement. I do understand the circumstances that led to this statement coming into the public domain before it had been placed before the Senedd, and I do accept that the Minister himself regards that as suboptimal and not the way that he would usually wish to proceed.
As the Minister knows, Plaid Cymru are pleased to support him in this approach. When the opportunity came up a couple of years ago, we felt that there wasn't a particularly clear case for private sector shareholders needing to make a profit out of our public transport services, and there is very little evidence that doing so makes them more efficient or more pleasant to use. We will support the Minister in maintaining this arrangement for as long as possible, and if it's necessary for him to seek any amendments to legislation at a Westminster level, we will support him in doing so.
I'd like to ask some specific questions. Minister, you mention the possibility of the need to improve stations—for example, the station at Llanelli is in a pretty rundown condition at present. Will this new arrangement make it easier for the railway services in Wales to respond to Welsh public priorities? Will it, for example, also make it easier to join up timetabling? It's a particular frustration for people who find themselves coming from the west of Wales into Swansea station just as the train to London or the train to Manchester is pulling out because those timetables don't work together. Places like Kidwelly, where you have a very long walk from the railway station to the bus station—will this new arrangement make it more effective and more easy for you to guide public transport to meet public service priorities?
Can you confirm for us, Minister—and I take it from your reference to the TUPE arrangements—that there will be no negative effects on the terms and conditions of staff delivering our railway services at all levels? You have given us that assurance privately, and I know that you have had those discussions with trade unions and others, but I think it would helpful for you to be able to put on public record that staff will not be negatively implicated by this.
I wonder if you have had any indication, Minister, as to when the UK Government will publish the Williams review, because, in a sense, without knowing that, and any measures that may come from that, you are slightly operating with one hand tied behind your back with regard to rail services in Wales. I would associate myself and my party with everything that you've said, Minister, about the consequential that should be available from HS2. It is absolutely unacceptable that it's not being made available, and, again, we will support you in any representations you're making.
Just finally, I appreciate you cannot, as you said to Russell George and you said in your statement, give us details of the financial arrangements, and I appreciate the commercial confidentiality issues involved, but other than the administrative costs that you've mentioned with regard to TUPE and the costs that arise directly from the pandemic, which would have had to be met whether the franchise went into public or remained in private hands, can you give us your assurance that it is your intention that no further longer term costs will be incurred to the public purse other than those that would have occurred under the circumstances had the franchise remained in private hands?