5. Statement by the Deputy Minister for Economy and Transport: Digital Innovation — Responding to the Brown Review

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:52 pm on 1 December 2020.

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Photo of Helen Mary Jones Helen Mary Jones Plaid Cymru 3:52, 1 December 2020

I thank the Deputy Minister for his statement and, obviously, for the advance copy. I'd like to begin my comments by just saying that I think the Welsh Government is to be commended to be looking forward at a time when so much energy is concentrated on dealing with the here and now. I think we can all be very glad that this work has been able to be progressed, faced with the big pressures both on Ministers and, obviously, on their officials at this very, very difficult, challenging time.

The Deputy Minister is right, of course, to identify, as the report itself does, that digital—the digital age, automation—is a powerful and disruptive force, and disruption can be positive and it can be negative. I'd like to explore a little bit more what the Deputy Minister said about sharing best practice, because I'd agree with him that, in Wales, we're sometimes very good at developing a new initiative, but then we're not always very good at spreading it. I wonder if he can say a little bit more in his response about how the digital hub is identifying some of those barriers to change. I suppose I'm interested to know, as well, on this particular topic, whether some of what they're learning about those barriers to change, particularly in the public sector, and how those are overcome, might be lessons that we can overcome when we're trying to spread good practice, potentially, in other fields.

I was glad to see him highlighting the importance of the data innovation accelerator. It's very positive to see our universities collaborating in that way; it's not always easy for them to do so. I wonder if he can say a little more in his response to me about how the UK Government and UK funders are responding to the case that he's making for supporting this initiative, and whether there is more that the Welsh Government could do. I'm asking that in the context that, of course, if there are UK-wide resources that we can bring in to support this work, that's very much to be encouraged.

I want to welcome the approach that the Deputy Minister is taking to finalising the new digital strategy. I think that kind of collaborative, open approach is a good practice model, especially in a world like this where, as the Deputy Minister said, nobody knows all the answers, because this is such a new world for everybody. I wonder if he would consider, or if he is already, taking steps particularly to encourage young people to participate in that process. I know that some of our major youth work charities have had collaborations with Microsoft, with Google—young people who you perhaps wouldn't expect to have good levels of digital skills actually know an awful lot about this, and certainly know more about it—you know, the digital-native generation, where they take these things for granted. So, I wonder, if he hasn't done that yet, whether he might consider how that might be done.

Finally, Dirprwy Lywydd, the Deputy Minister is right, of course, to say that this is going to come and he's right to say that this will be a huge transformation, and I think it's right that the approach to that transformation should be proactive and positive, but I wonder whether the Deputy Minister will also acknowledge that we can expect the world of work to be totally transformed by this over time. When he mentions the removal of mundane tasks, well, that, of course, is the case, but we have to consider how those who now make their living doing those mundane tasks will make their living in future.

I'm sure the Deputy Minister will agree with me that the last major transformation in our economy in Wales—the end of coal mining, the end of much heavy industry—was profoundly traumatic for many communities, like those of the Gwendraeth valley, which he and I both know well, and some of those communities are still living with the bad effects of that transformation.

There may not be enough work to go round as we have traditionally known it, as this transformation goes out, so I wonder if the Deputy Minister would agree with me that, in addition to developing that positive national digital strategy and, as he rightly says, Government taking the lead but not exclusively, and working in partnership, we also should be looking at, potentially, more radical responses to how we think about work, what constitutes work, what matters. Should we be considering a shorter working week? Should we consider the potential role of a universal basic income that could free citizens up to be more creative, to spend more time with their families, whatever they wanted to do?

I'd like to recommend that the Deputy Minister considers looking at the work of the Just Transition Commission, established by the Scottish Government, which aims to ensure that this coming digital industrial revolution is managed in such a way that it really does improve the lives of people and communities, rather than, if we leave it purely to the market, the risk that we make them worse.