Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:34 pm on 1 December 2020.
Well, Llywydd, no doubt the Member is one of those who will be looking for evidence, and he could look for evidence in those parts of England where his party has already instituted restrictions of this sort for many, many weeks, and I don't think he has evidence of large-scale public unrest or of the problem being moved wholesale elsewhere.
We did indeed talk to enforcement agencies. They will respond to the rules that the Welsh Government puts in place. The key thing, surely, is for every one of us who has any form of influence at all to use that influence to explain to people why breaking the law and acting in the way that the Member has described would be to put themselves, and other people who matter most to them, at risk. The best answer is not to need to enforce a rule because it's being broken, but to try to use our voices to explain to people why it is in their interest, and in the interests of everybody else, to do what is being asked of them.
People in Wales have done that, I think, fantastically over the period of the coronavirus crisis. We need to ask people to go on doing that as we move into next year. With new possibilities that we know are coming our way, now is not the moment to throw in the towel and to assume that people in Wales will not be prepared to act in a way that helps us all to prevent this virus from continuing to escalate away from us, with all the difficulties and damage that we know that that would cause.