Health Protection Measures in Blaenau Gwent

Part of 1. Questions to the Minister for Health and Social Services – in the Senedd at 2:22 pm on 2 December 2020.

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Photo of Vaughan Gething Vaughan Gething Labour 2:22, 2 December 2020

Well, I am tremendously grateful to people right across the hospitality industry for the way they have changed and adapted. And I have real sympathy for the incredibly difficult time that they face. We wanted to leave the firebreak with a pattern that would get us through to the end of the year, but I said, as the First Minister said, that, if the rates change, we may need to act again. And as I've just said in response to Alun Davies's question, the rates in Wales today are over 220 per 100,000. So, the opportunity to go through to the end of the year without further intervention is not available to us, and we then had to decide what to do.

Look, I know that it isn't easy to turn a profit in the hospitality sector. I know that, often, these are small businesses, family businesses, and people have a very personal connection to their business. I also know that this is a sector that employs lots of younger people, who've had many of the ways in which they live their lives and enjoy their lives significantly affected by the pandemic, and it is not a choice that Ministers have gone into glibly or with a care-free attitude. Eluned Morgan, who's in the Chamber with us today, has had many of those conversations with the hospitality sector. She's been our lead Minister working with the sector, and it's difficult. And we all understand why they're so upset, and why wouldn't they be? We're having significant restrictions introduced into that sector, and we know that that will cause harm. And yet we also know that doing nothing isn't an option. The evidence we have is that tier 3-style restrictions in England and Scotland have the best prospect of controlling coronavirus. The significant difference in terms of where Wales is today and tier 3 in England or Scotland is hospitality. And you'll have heard the chief medical officer on the radio this morning talking about the fact that Wales, at present, is an outlier in having a much more generous approach when it comes to hospitality and alcohol, and it wasn't tenable to carry on in that way. And the evidence is there, from experience within the British isles—so, Governments and countries that we can compare ourselves much more easily with—where those restrictions have had an impact. We shared that information with them; I know Eluned Morgan spent time talking with them, not just through the last few weeks, but the last few days, in running through the evidence with them. There's reluctance, yes, and why wouldn't they be reluctant? But there is some understanding that we do need to act.

I don't enjoy standing up and advocating restrictions to the way people live their lives and the way businesses operate, but I'm afraid the evidence is there that, if we don't do this, if we don't adopt the evidence of what's worked in other parts of the UK, then we'll be having a different conversation in a few weeks about why the Government, despite that evidence, despite the evidence from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies and the paper that we'll shortly publish from our own technical advisory cell—why we chose not to act. There'll be a different toll for us to look at then, and it's not one that I'm prepared to sign up to.