Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:41 pm on 2 December 2020.
First, can I congratulate the committee on an excellent report? It really is an in-depth study that includes many positive suggestions. Can I also acknowledge the Government's entirely positive response to the report? It must be one of the first Government responses to a report I've seen that doesn't have an 'accept in principle' in it.
Given the Welsh Government's commitment to a carbon-free Wales, the content of the report is particularly important if this is to be achieved in the timescale envisaged. It does, of course, raise many questions—as many questions as answers—but it does give a road map as to what has to be done to achieve the Government's aims, because transport, in all its forms, will play a critical role in creating a carbon-free economy.
Given the comprehensive nature of the report, I shall confine myself to certain aspects of the conclusions outlined in it. First, if we are to increase exponentially the use of electric cars, we have to put in place, first, the grid capacity to accommodate the huge surge in demand for electricity that will inevitably take place as the number of electric vehicles grows. Secondly, we have to roll out the charging facilities available across the country—this has been mentioned several times by other Members in this debate. This is, of course, a chicken-and-egg scenario, in that we have to provide the facilities to entice people to take up EVs, even if the facilities may not be fully used for some time. I would envisage that the private sector would be involved in this roll-out. Could the Minister give us some indication as to how this roll-out is progressing?
The crucial element outlined in the report is that we will not be able to achieve the modal shift necessary unless we have the facilities and infrastructure in place to entice the population to abandon the car. It has to be said that the Welsh Government have made considerable strides in enhancing the public transport offer over the last few years, but, of course, COVID has disrupted the take-up of the increased capacity. I know we are all encouraged by the metro plans and the Government's determination to make connectivity between the various modes of transport as seamless as possible. Could the Minister outline any progress being made with regard to multi-modal ticketing facilities?
Lastly, can I address the need to perhaps fundamentally change the provision of bus facilities, given that they are by far the biggest transporters of people? The use of 50-plus seater buses to carry just a few passengers in off-peak periods has to change. Bus operators must be encouraged to replace the large fleets of such buses for a much more mixed offer—that is, a greater acquisition and use of smaller vehicles. The transition from diesel to electric should give them the opportunity to effect these changes. So, could the Minister outline the Government's plans to effect this modal change? Thank you, Dirprwy Lywydd.