7. & 8. Debate: New Coronavirus Restrictions (Postponed from 8 December) and a Welsh Conservatives Debate: Coronavirus — December Restrictions

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:00 pm on 9 December 2020.

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Photo of Rhun ap Iorwerth Rhun ap Iorwerth Plaid Cymru 5:00, 9 December 2020

I certainly appreciate that Government is working in extremely difficult circumstances here, but our scrutiny becomes more important at a time like this. It's about trying to encourage better decision making, so let me go through our amendments to the Government motion. The first three deal with those areas that have jarred with a significant section of public opinion most—the rules around hospitality. To be clear, you won't hear me, or any of my colleagues, say that the run-up to Christmas should be anything like normal. I don't hear the hospitality sector saying that either, and with infection levels and positivity rates on the way up pretty much everywhere, we have to look at how all aspects of how the way we live our lives affects the spread of the virus, from work to travel to leisure and, yes, how we interact with and enjoy the hospitality sector. Limiting personal and potential contact between people, especially late at night when spirits are higher, let's say, makes sense in many, many ways.

But it's the extent of the restrictions that we question here. We question whether Government has got it right. The total alcohol ban, for example, has led to many people questioning the logic, and that can lead to an undermining of trust. Individuals from four households can meet for a coffee. Not even an individual can have a quiet pint in the same establishment. Now, I know it's not people having a quiet pint that Government is worried about, but they're still affected too, and in stark contrast, supermarkets can still sell as much alcohol as they like until late in the evening. Again, those people from four households can have a lunch, but a couple living together can't have an evening meal. We're suggesting that perhaps there needn't be an outright ban on alcohol. Those evening meals can be allowed up to, say, 8 o'clock, allowing some trade to take place. And remember that the sector as a whole has worked very, very hard, and invested heavily too, to try to work COVID safely.

But here's the key—and I refer to our other amendment: what's the evidence, the specific evidence, on, for example, the harm caused by restaurants? On why 6 o'clock closing of all hospitality contributes to the overall goals, rather than perhaps a later time? What are those goals—the specific objectives? What are the thresholds that we can look forward to for the relaxing of measures? Our amendment 15 says the latest advice Government receives, 

'together with all data supporting the policy decisions taken, should be published alongside or prior to any announcement on further national coronavirus restrictions.'

This is so, so important, and it's been good to hear calls for the timely publication of evidence from the benches of the Government side too.

I'll also make reference to amendment 17. We're making some suggestions today based on research, aren't we? On best practice elsewhere, and so on. But we're asking here to be able to seek modelling by Government scientists and advisers on our alternative proposals. This is clearly an amendment in the spirit of achieving, or trying to achieve, the best outcomes for Wales—something we should all be seeking.

There's an appeal to the Conservatives there too: bring your proposals to the table. Guff and bluster really don't cut it in this pandemic, and downplaying risks to health increases risks to health. You do that at your peril. We'll be voting for your amendments today. A number of them, like ours, call for more evidence, for example, but I'm giving one big caveat. We vote for amendment 2 because, yes, we do see the need to respond in different ways in different parts of Wales, but that can go both ways. Frankly, currently that's likely to mean the need for additional measures in some places, more support for self-isolation, more resources to help communities of high prevalence of the virus.

We'll be abstaining on the Conservative debate motion itself. I think we've expressed our position pretty clearly in the way we're voting on the other amendments, and whilst we are agreed on some elements that I've outlined there, this can't be about the suspension of restrictions altogether. I don't think anybody in hospitality even, as I say, is really calling for that. What we want is a rethink on some elements, and to suggest lifting of all restrictions now would clearly be damaging to health. This is not the time, as we've heard some on the Conservative benches suggesting, to pretend that there are parts of Wales that are somehow immune to this virus—there aren't—and thankfully, there are parts of the country that are faring better than others, including my own constituency, but prevention is more often than not better than cure.