9. The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (School Premises and Further Education Institution Premises) (Wales) Regulations 2020

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:33 pm on 15 December 2020.

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Photo of Kirsty Williams Kirsty Williams Liberal Democrat 4:33, 15 December 2020

Thank you very much, Deputy Presiding Officer. Can I thank the Members for their contributions to the debate this afternoon? With regard to the comments made by Mick Antoniw, the Welsh Government agrees that there is an inconsistency between the enabling powers cited in the Welsh and the English texts—in section 45(3)(c) it is cited in the Welsh text, and in 45(3) in the English text. This is a typographical error in the English text, which does not affect the validity of the regulations.

With regard to consultation, it is the case that no formal consultation was possible, given the emergency situation we found ourselves in, although within an hour of receiving the advice from the chief medical officer, we were able to meet with officials from the WLGA, and subsequently with ADEW to discuss the situation that we were in, and there were no objections from either. We have previously discussed, from our learnings on the firebreak situation, some of the issues that we need to be cognisant of, with a special regard to the education of vulnerable learners, and we have sought to give flexibility to ensure that those vulnerable learners can be catered for in their high school or FE colleges during this week. 

Moving to the points that were made by Suzy Davies. You're absolutely right: there is a balance of risks and rewards that have to be examined during these times, and displacement activity of children outside of a regulated setting is a source of concern to me, but those balance of risks change, and they change quickly. It was with great regret that I received the advice from the chief medical officer and Public Health Wales, but, having received such advice, it is incumbent upon me to act upon it. As I said, the announcement was made within hours of that advice being received. We simply could not have moved any faster. I appreciate that that comes late in the day, but my priority throughout this has been trying to keep children in face-to-face learning for as long as we possibly can do that. And, clearly, because of the impact on children's rights, there has to be a pressing public health need to deny them of their right to face-to-face learning, and, in the absence of advice from the CMO and Public Health Wales, I'm not about to deny them those rights, unless we find ourselves in an emergency situation, and I would not have had that advice previously to that. But it does mean that decisions are, indeed, taken late in the day. 

Both Siân Gwenllian and Suzy Davies raised the issue of childcare. Can I be absolutely clear, we have not asked schools or education to provide childcare since the Whitsun half term. We did not ask schools to provide childcare during the summer holiday or in the half term holiday. But, clearly, one of the issues that educators feel most proud about is that, whilst they are carrying out face-to-face teaching, that is allowing our key workers, including members of our health and social care staff, to get on with their jobs. And I know that many teachers feel very proud of the role that they are playing on the front line to allow other front-line workers to carry on caring and looking after all of us. But let's be very clear: we're not asking them to provide childcare; we're asking them to provide a due education. But, clearly, there is a knock-on effect to families, and I regret that. I really, really do. 

Siân Gwenllian also talked about the issue of a digital divide. We have made significant progress. The success of the Welsh Government in this regard has been noted by independent educational think tanks outside of Wales. But, clearly, we always need to do more. That's why we have set up a group with ADEW to understand what the remaining barriers are to supporting a distanced, digital and blended learning approach.

I meet with headteachers every week. Today, I met with the acting primary head of St Illtyd's in Blaenau Gwent, and she was happy to confirm to me that every single family that had requested IT support, whether that be with connectivity or with a digital device, has been given that support that is necessary. And we are working closely with local education authorities to identify schools that have not been in that fortunate position. 

I can confirm that new IT equipment and devices are being sent out to schools on a regular basis and, by February, we anticipate that we will have provided 133,000 new pieces of equipment to Welsh schools to address these concerns. Unfortunately, the world and his wife are trying to get hold of IT equipment at the moment, and I acknowledge that there have been some delays in satisfying some schools' orders, but we are working, as quickly as we can, to address that, and, as I said, by February, I'm confident that we will have been able to source 133,000 new, additional devices for schools to ensure that, where we, unfortunately, have to take these decisions, pupils can keep on learning.