18. & 19. The General Principles of the Curriculum and Assessment (Wales) Bill and The Financial Resolution in respect of the Curriculum and Assessment (Wales) Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 7:29 pm on 15 December 2020.

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Photo of Joyce Watson Joyce Watson Labour 7:29, 15 December 2020

I'll be supporting the Bill, and I'm going to particularly focus on aspects of the RSE code. I'm going to welcome the fact that the Minister has removed the right of withdrawal and is sticking with RSE and healthy relationships, and that the Welsh Government is going to make that mandatory, and I'm really, really pleased that that is happening.

Many of you here will know that I have campaigned for years about what a healthy relationship looks like. I have approached schools right across Wales to join me, even providing materials from the White Ribbon campaign, and I've had some success where schools have done that, but not much. And the reason being is trying to find that time within that school year—not that the teachers or the school themselves don't want to do it, but they're not mandated either. I've sat in schools, in classrooms where young children have talked about healthy relationships in all age groups, and understanding what that is and what it isn't, once they've been guided through age-appropriate teaching. What that does, for me, is teach those children respect, first of all for themselves, and secondly for other people. And they grow up with that respect. Because we all know that the incidence and numbers of domestic abuse are just the same as they were 30 years ago, and the only chance and opportunity that we have to do anything at all about ending violence against women and children is to start much earlier; to start with young people and to teach them respect. And they get it; they absolutely get it once you engage them in those conversations.

And, of course, that respect has to be wider; it has to be about respect for different religious outlooks and, as Jenny Rathbone quite rightly said, this is about education. And that's what we're teaching: wider perspectives. It's about also recognising that people are different, and that relationships are different too. I'm really pleased that, again, through age-appropriate education, children, going forward, will have the opportunities to have that education. 

And I, again, want to support the notion that Jenny has brought up about menstrual well-being. Because unless people know what a good period is, what a normal period looks like, and they can then speak up for themselves and have a conversation at home, things like endometriosis go undiagnosed. And I have two family members who've suffered the consequences of that, and they can be, indeed, serious and life-changing. So, I really, really want that to be there.

I think we have, today, an opportunity to do some bridge building, to give a genuine narrative of tolerance and of difference, and to allow young people to experience and to share and to celebrate, but, most of all, to accept that. And that is exactly what will happen in schools with allowing RSE education and not allowing the parents to withdraw, whether that's through fear or misunderstanding, which it very often is.

I will absolutely support this, but I do want to take issue with this idea that it's too radical and it can't happen within the state schools, by the previous speaker. And yet it's obviously okay to give radical and difference and freedom within the public schools, within free schools and any other school, as long as it's not a school that is run by the local authority—that's the exception that I have.