5. Debate on the Children, Young People and Education Committee Report: 'Mind over matter: two years on'

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:07 pm on 16 December 2020.

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Photo of Lynne Neagle Lynne Neagle Labour 5:07, 16 December 2020

Thank you, Llywydd. Can I thank everybody who has participated in the debate for their contributions? I'll try and respond in the time that I've got available to some of the key points that were made.

Can I thank Suzy Davies for her contributions and her very well-made points about looked-after children? In our original inquiry, the evidence that we received on looked-after children from the heads of children's services in Wales was probably one of the most damning evidence sessions I'd ever sat through. It is a cause for concern that we still need to make so much progress in this area, and it is particularly important that we hear from the Minister how that link-up is going to work with the ministerial advisory group, the task and finish group and the Together for Children and Young People programme, particularly because of David leaving the Senedd. Thank you, Suzy, for the points on transition; it's crucially important that we get that right and make urgent progress in this area. The problems that we had with transition are, I think, a symptom of the fact that we are always too ready to fit children into the services, rather than the services around the children and young people, and that needs to change.

Can I thank Rhun for his contribution on the missing middle? It's important to recognise that when we talk about the missing middle, they are by far the biggest group of children and young people that we need to reach. I've met with many families over the years, and have met very few where a child has a diagnosed mental illness, but many, many where children and young people are experiencing acute distress. Rhun made some points about Plaid's proposals for one-stop shops. I think where I certainly agree with him is the importance of that 'no wrong door' approach, which is something that the children's commissioner has also been promoting. We're already seeing good practice in places like Gwent, where every referral goes through a panel, and help is found for that young person. There's no question of being told that they don't meet the threshold.

Can I thank Dawn for her contribution, also on the missing middle, a vitally important area? But also for highlighting the importance of psychological therapies, which has been a long-standing concern of the committee, not just in this area, actually—we've also raised concerns in relation to perinatal mental health, and I know the health committee has raised this regularly as well. It's good to hear that Matrics Plant is being published soon, and the committee will look forward to hearing the workforce plans that will support that work being taken forward, because it is crucially important.

Thank you, Laura, for your kind words, and also for your contribution, and for highlighting the issue of crisis care. Too often, the young people who end up in a crisis situation are actually 'missing middle' young people, who wouldn't have ended up there if they'd had the support earlier on. I'm pleased that the Minister has reiterated her commitment to addressing this issue, and the task and finish group is going to be focusing on that, which is very welcome. What I would say, though, is that it's vital that the solutions that we find are child-centred solutions, and that we don't try and squeeze children and young people into an adult focus of crisis care.

Can I thank the Minister for her contribution, and obviously recognise that it's early days? We welcome the fact that there is now a dedicated Minister to drive this work forward. I do look forward to working with you on these issues. They are thorny and complex issues, such as the complex care issues that you touched on in your response, but it is absolutely vital that we address these issues, and we can't simply leave these things to RPBs. There has to be a very clear expectation from Welsh Government that they deliver on this now, as Powys has done. That has to be done consistently across the whole of Wales. The Minister also referred to the progress that's being made in the early help and enhanced support work stream, which is indeed very welcome, being led by the wonderful Dr Liz Gregory from Gwent. We look forward to seeing that rolled out across Wales at the earliest possible opportunity.

Can I, just in closing, then, thank everybody who's participated in the debate? Just really to reiterate my commitment and the committee's commitment to continuing to drive change in this area. In the 21 years I've been in the Senedd, we have constantly discussed the shortcomings in this service area, and I am absolutely determined that by the time we get to the end of this Senedd, we will be in a position where things are much better, not just in education, but across the whole system that is so crucial for our children and young people. Diolch yn fawr.