6. Debate on the Children, Young People and Education Committee Report: Children’s rights in Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:05 pm on 20 January 2021.

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Photo of Lynne Neagle Lynne Neagle Labour 4:05, 20 January 2021

As Laura said, the complaints mechanism is vitally important, and that was echoed by Helen Mary Jones, who said that rights are meaningless unless you've got a form of redress, and that is absolutely right. That's why we think this needs to be taken forward as a matter of urgency, so that we can ensure that children and young people are able to enact their rights.

I'd like to thank Helen Mary Jones for her contribution. I know that Helen Mary has had a very long-standing commitment in the area of children's rights. I think it was really valuable that she reminded us of the genesis, really, of the very first children's commissioner, which was in that really sobering Waterhouse report. I think it is crucial that we remember that these are not additional extras, these rights—these are absolutely about safeguarding children and young people. 

Thank you for your focus on the child rights impact assessments, and the committee will be continuing to pursue those. We do feel also, like you, that strategic impact assessments are not good enough, and we've been having that ongoing dialogue with the Welsh Government about the need for a separate child rights impact assessment on the budget. Because it's vital that we remember that children are a unique group, and they don't have a vote, and therefore they don't have the same voice as other groups in society, so it is incumbent on us to make sure that those crucial decisions absolutely take into account their needs. 

Helen Mary also echoed the point about training, and I know that that has been accepted in principle, the recommendation on training. I do hope that that can be taken forward. I know that everybody is busy, but it is absolutely crucial that everybody in Welsh Government has a clear understanding of what the expectations are under the children's rights Measure. 

Thank you, Helen Mary, for your support on the need for all public bodies to be placed under a due-regard duty. I hope that that is something that we can continue to have further discussion with the Welsh Government about, and I just wanted to say that one of the most powerful evidence sessions we had during the inquiry was with the Noah's Ark Children's Hospital, who came and told us how the lack of CRIAs, child rights impact assessments, on research spending in Wales was having a really huge impact on their work, and that we weren't seeing the research that we should be seeing in children's health, and that actually—as a very concrete example—children were having to be sent to London for certain types of cancer treatment because that research wasn't taking place in Wales. So, I think we should never forget that these are not abstract ideas, they're actual concrete things that impact on children and young people's lives. 

I agree entirely in relation to the children's commissioner's role. I note the Welsh Government's continued response on that, and obviously the lack of time now for primary legislation. But I do hope that that is something that will be considered in the next Senedd, because it is an absolute no-brainer, in my view. The children's commissioner's post as it is at the moment was established when the Assembly was a very different body, when we had no separation of powers, and it is now, I think, right to move to a much more robust model that ensures complete freedom for the children's commissioner. 

Can I thank the Deputy Minister for her response and for her continued and ongoing engagement with the committee, and what I know is a very heartfelt, personal commitment to children's rights? I welcome what you've said about having a continued dialogue on some of the issues where you weren't able to fully accept the recommendations, and the committee very much looks forward to having that dialogue with you, and feeding in to the new children's rights scheme.

And I'd just like to close by thanking again everybody who responded to the committee's inquiry, all the staff in the committee team that, as always, have worked so hard, but the final thanks, I think, have to go to the children and young people who fed into the inquiry, who took their time to tell us what children's rights mean to them. And it is a duty on us now to make sure that we press forward and continue to make those rights an absolute reality. Diolch yn fawr.