Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:09 pm on 16 March 2021.
Thank you for your statement, Minister. I'm going to agree with you that the programme is indeed a cause for congratulation in some cases, but I still have some questions for you where there are questions to be asked here. I think it's an important point to make as well that progress has accelerated during a difficult year, and I'll just come on to that in a moment. I've been lucky enough to see some of the schools that have been built as a result of the band A part of the programme within my own region, and it's absolutely right that the learning environment does affect the experience of the learner as well as the staff there, whether that's frying in some of those over-warm rooms that we all fall asleep in, or freezing in the draughty classrooms of the Victorian era or even more modern buildings that are essentially held together by safety pins and sticking plaster.
Regarding band A, this part of the programme closed in 2019, but there are seven schools that benefited from that that are either still under construction or have not yet started being built, which is two years after the pot closed, effectively. I wonder what you can tell us about the reasons for the time that some of these projects are taking and whether issues like the location of a new school might be a material factor in the delays. If that is the case, is there an argument for saying that the application process, certainly as we go forward, needs to tighten up on certain questions or certainties in order for the building programme to progress more quickly?
As for band B, in 2017, Welsh Government said that they'd received £2.3 billion-worth of strategic outline bids; it's a figure that you've referred to again today. But here we are in 2021 and only four of those projects have been completed, and only £448 million-worth of work has been approved. Now, that's 20 per cent, roughly, of the £2.3 billion referred to. I'm wondering why it's taking that amount of time, bearing in mind this part of the project is only open for another few years, and I wonder also if you can tell us about the balance between what are new schools and what are refurbishments, because it's been really difficult to get that. It's been really difficult to get that information via the researchers' department's questions to Welsh Government. I still can't attribute individual figures to individual projects from the information that I've got.
Annual maintenance grants—this is great news, but I'd be surprised if all Members here still aren't receiving pleas for help from various schools. So, what can you tell us about how that money is distributed? If it goes through local councils, is it ring-fenced or is it at the mercy of other claims on the revenue support grant, and how confident are you that it's actually spent on school maintenance rather than anything else?
And then, just to finish, the £15 million on community use of schools. Yes, yes, yes. I underlined that three times. I just wonder why we need to be spending money on something that should be happening anyway. We have community schools who should behave like community schools already, and I think it's been a source of disappointment to us all that they're not. And then, just on the Welsh schools and the use of the money that you mentioned in your statement, does that mean that you've brought money in from the Welsh main expenditure groups, if you like, into education, or is this an addition to the £2.3 million that you've committed to twenty-first century schools? I wasn't quite sure what you were saying in that part of your statement, so any clarity on that would be very welcome. Thank you.