2. Election of the Deputy Presiding Officer under Standing Order 6

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:00 pm on 12 May 2021.

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Photo of Hefin David Hefin David Labour 4:00, 12 May 2021

I'd like to perhaps pick up where Dave Rees left off. I think that, if we look around this Chamber, the people in this Chamber represent the people of Wales better than perhaps we have seen in previous elections. This was, I believe, the first truly Welsh general election; this was the first Welsh election in which we saw a vote for First Minister and not an eye on what was going on in London. I think it is really important that we recognise that and we recognise our mandate. But if you're going to have a mandate, if you've got a mandate, you also need a voice, and every single voice in this Chamber must be heard.

I strongly believe, as Dave Rees has just said, that we need a Parliament that works for Wales and that works for our people. There is a lot in Laura McAllister's report that merits discussion, but the only way we're going to get that report back on the agenda is if we hold that discussion across this Chamber and that it's done in a way that includes all groups and tries to find consensus where possible. I believe that I am best placed to find that consensus and I believe that I am best placed to bring people together across this Chamber in a way that we didn't have in the previous fifth Senedd.

There were weaknesses in the fifth Senedd that I think have partially been dispelled by the electorate, but I still think that there are things that need to change. I want to stand on a platform of accountability, reform and fairness. Accountability of the Government to see that backbenchers—. I've been a backbencher for five years, and believe me, I know the frustrations that you can have on the back benches when trying to hold the Government to account. I want to enable backbenchers and oppositions Members to be able to engage in a way that they have never been able to engage before in this Chamber. I believe that, working with the Llywydd, we can achieve that. And I would say that I've got a very good relationship with the Llywydd. We had a conversation, as I'm sure Dave Rees did, prior to this election, and to be fair, she didn't tell us who she was voting for, which is probably just as well, but what we can do is, together, achieve reform. I'm standing on that platform of reform.

I want backbenchers to have a voice, and one of the ways to do that, I think, is shorter answers from Ministers, and the best way to get shorter answers from Ministers is shorter questions from Members. I think we can get further down the order paper so that the people on these benches—these benches here—get heard.

But the most important thing of all is fairness, and I think to have fairness, we must make sure that all Members feel that they are being well treated, more Members feel that they're being fairly treated. That needs dialogue. One of the things I would do immediately is have dialogue with those Members to discuss how we go forward. I brought with me also a book, it's 'Rheolau Sefydlog Senedd Cymru', the Standing Orders of the Welsh Parliament. I believe that these are the rules to which we must stick in order to govern this Chamber effectively. But not stick to the rules if we feel that they are not working. Many in this Chamber say that there are Standing Orders in this book that need to change, and I think that is the next stage in our dialogue.

I am not seeking any other office; I'm only seeking Dirprwy Lywydd. If I am elected to Dirprwy Lywydd, I will take a step back from my ability to speak on these back benches. I think that will reduce my voice in this Chamber—something I will greatly miss—but it is the least that you can expect from me in delivering impartiality to you.