Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:57 pm on 15 June 2021.
No, not to get rid of you. You didn't understand it; that's the problem, Peter. When I asked you what powers you wanted, you didn't reply. What we need to be able to do is to provide the funding and the funding streams openly, transparently, fairly, according to need, and then deliver to those people. That was what was being done, and what's being done here is a dismantling of that system. It's being dismantled not because it didn't work, but because it couldn't be controlled by the Conservative Party.
Do you know what? There will be a lot of people, not just in my constituency and not just in Caerphilly and not just in Bridgend who will lose out as a result of that, but the greatest loser is the sense of the United Kingdom as a state able to treat all parts fairly. And do you know what? In terms of where we're going at the moment with the undermining of democracy, the internal market Act, I thought, ended the devolution period in Wales. It ended devolution. Devolution doesn't exist—it doesn't exist. What exists is a shadow that can be undermined at will by a Minister in London, unaccountable, unelected by the people of Wales. That is not what I understood by devolution. It's why read in the programme for government earlier this afternoon that things will need to change if the United Kingdom is to remain in place.
Presiding Officer, I'm trying your patience again. Let me conclude my contribution by saying this: I've found the process over the last few years one of the most deeply depressing and distressing experiences that I've been involved with in politics, because as a member of committees in this place, we have sought in goodwill and with cross-party support to bring in UK Ministers to have that conversation and to create that transparency and to debate about what is best for Wales. Those Ministers didn't just not appear, but were unable to answer questions, and they knew that they'd been rumbled. The issue we've got to face now is how do we rebuild a regional policy that has been systematically dismantled by a UK Government that doesn't give a damn.