To respond to some of the comments in the many excellent contributions, I was pleased to see so many Members highlight the role that the Fflecsi demand-responsive bus service has played, and is playing in the Conwy Valley as Janet Finch-Saunders mentioned; Carolyn Thomas similarly talked of its potential, as did Vikki Howells as a way of bringing new passengers into buses and exploring where the routes can be more viable using this new demand-responsive system. And certainly, that's the experience in Newport where this has been trialled; it is showing there is latent demand there. People will use buses when it's a more flexible service. So, it's very encouraging.

Alun Davies pointed out some teething troubles that there have been in Ebbw Vale, where there have been some difficulties. And I would say to him—I understand his frustration—it is a pilot project, and pilot projects are there to test approaches, and things don't always go to plan. And there have been difficulties with software and there have been difficulties with staff training. As I understand it, we're now past that; I'd be grateful if he could tell me if there are continuing problems, but that was the last information I had. And we are learning, and as we learn, we will scale, and I think that is the right approach to take, and it's better we fail fast and fail on a small level than failing in one big bang if we rush this. So, that is our intention and ambition: to roll this out with confidence.

He did point out some legitimate criticisms of the way public services are often planned without thinking about how people are going to get to them, other than by car. And he's mentioned the Grange University Hospital, a very familiar example, and I quoted that example to the chief executive of Hywel Dda University Health Board last week, because they're planning a new hospital in west Wales, to make sure that those mistakes are not repeated. And one of the points of putting this department together with transport next to planning, next to regeneration, next to climate change and others, is to make sure there is join-up, and we can insist those things are thought through. 

We are hoping later this year—we'd hoped to do it before the pandemic, in response to representations from Alun Davies; it's been delayed—but we're hoping by the end of this year to have a new TrawsCymru cross-Valleys bus service that will link the Grange with an east-west route, linking Cwmbran, Pontypool, Newbridge, Ystrad Mynach and Pontypridd with a fleet of low-emission buses, and we are working on the details of that now. And I'm happy to speak to Alun Davies further about if we can enhance that and link it up with the Fflecsi services. I hear him from a sedentary position making other constructive comments that we'd like to bear in mind as we design the service, because it has to work for the people that we're all here to serve. These things are tricky to knit together because, as has been pointed out, we don't have the tools and we don't have all the resources we'd want because, as we set out yesterday, money is being spent in other places and we need to reallocate that. 

Hefin David rightly asked about the new role of Transport for Wales, the corporate joint committees and the local authorities in planning the new service. A lot of work has been going on in dialogue with all of those, which we will be setting out in our plan in the autumn. But, in brief, we hope Transport for Wales will be the centre of excellence where local authorities have been denuded of people and expertise because of austerity. We hope Transport for Wales will be that guiding mind to help local authorities, who are the accountable ones, who themselves can work together on a regional level to make sure that they bring their critical mass of—[Inaudible.] There is a lot we can do, and it's right the Senedd pushes us to go further and faster. Diolch yn fawr.