The Devolution of Welfare Administration

Part of 1. Questions to the First Minister – in the Senedd at 2:10 pm on 6 July 2021.

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Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 2:10, 6 July 2021

Well, I do realise that devolving certain powers relating to elements of social security could provide us with a wider range of tools to tackle poverty; I certainly think we would be a far more compassionate Government than the UK Government. But I think it's really important that we carefully assess how any long-term changes to social security, including the devolution of welfare benefits, will be funded. It's no good having the powers without the funding. We've been caught too many times, as a Government, in relation to powers coming to us. I remember the council-tax reduction scheme—and the finance Minister's smiling at me—you know, the power's come over but not the funding. So, I think it's really important that we recognise that.

And, of course, we have really challenging times. Now, we've had challenging times before, after a decade of austerity from the UK Government, but the COVID-19 pandemic has built up those challenges. So, I think we would be extremely cautious of agreeing any changes to the social security system, and that includes devolution of welfare benefits at this time. I think the right thing now is to focus on making sure—because we have the levers to do this—we focus on making sure that we improve outcomes for those hardest hit by the pandemic and that people are aware of the financial support that is available to them, and that was one of the recommendations that came out of the ELGC report.