It's a good job I know the Minister well enough not to be offended by some of the jibes he made in his speech just then. I'll come to the things he said in a second, but I just wanted to make a comment about Delyth Jewell's contribution, because I think we were born in the same hospital, we went to school in the same town and I currently live in the place where she grew up, and also, you may have noticed, we also contested the same seat at the Senedd election. So, you can understand why we've also got the same views when it comes to tourism in our community here about South Wales East—about South Wales East, but Caerphilly as well—and she's talked about 80 per cent of normal revenue being lost during the pandemic. The concern I've got, I think, was reflecting what I said, that there is a danger that that cost is being passed on to the consumer in the immediate period ahead and that might have a detrimental effect when we talk about year-round delivery. So, there is a concern there. And I'm not blaming anyone, by the way; it's a natural market mechanism that you would expect that to happen, and I think as a social democrat, I would expect the Government to intervene when that market mechanism is not working, and I think that is the challenge. I don't think the Minister quite got to that in his speech, but I think that is the challenge, that we could see a detrimental consequence in the autumn of 2021 and 2022, and I think that was recognised by Delyth Jewell.

And then if I come to the statements made by the three Conservatives, Paul Davies, Sam Rowlands and Tom Giffard, it was really good to hear, and I'd say to Sam and Tom as well what excellent contributions you are making as new Members, and I know from experience how difficult it is, particularly the first time, to get up and speak. It gets easier with time, but I can see that you've taken to it very, very well.

One of the things that I don't think was answered by the Conservatives, though, was why the opposition to a tourism levy is so strong. So, Paul Davies said in his contribution that he thinks it could have a devastating impact, but I don't think he explained why, because there are models around the world where a tourism levy actually works, and I think the Government and I'd say the Minister's response was fairly light—I think he'd agree himself—was fairly light in his response, and that was perhaps because you said that a consultation is ongoing and it will be flexible in its introduction. So, I think that's still being formulated, and I suspect therefore there is still a bridge to be built between outright opposition and the introduction, and I'd like to see how that bridge is going to be built and resolved.

And just to come to Sam Rowlands's comments. Three things, he said: a road map for the summer—I completely understand that; review social distance measures, and supporting recruitment. Perhaps one day we'll hear a bit more, soon, about supporting recruitment, but particularly about reviewing social distancing measures, I highlighted in my speech the possible counter-consequences that we haven't fully understood yet, that if you remove social distancing measures completely and people don't feel safe in those venues, they're just as likely to stay away. So, I think we must find a balance there between the clinical advice and the safety and that economic situation and living with COVID. And I'll be honest with you, I don't think the UK Government's got it right, and the Welsh Government will find out next week whether they are getting it right or not, and I think that announcement next Wednesday is important.

And Jenny Rathbone, your contribution was actually very moving. When you talk about families—a quarter of families, I think you said—can't afford venue-destination holidays, and that's because the venues are so expensive, but also because of public transport, and also because poverty locks people in their communities. I think it's also a cultural and social problem as well, that you don't look beyond your communities. I've seen it myself, that you don't look beyond your communities and you spend almost all your time in your community. I think it would be a great psychological release to be able to recognise those things that are relatively easy to get to and be able to visit, but also the idea of supporting diversification and the delivery of low-cost venues for those people who would then be able to afford it—that would be a very good idea. Bluestone would be out of the price range of the people you're talking about, but there are opportunities to develop lower cost versions that haven't been developed yet. I think that's a really important point. One of the things I've noticed is that you've only got to go on Facebook and you can see people in my community using the community anew, and the free stuff that's around: Penallta country park, visiting Llancaiach Fawr—it's amazing, Llancaiach Fawr, by the way, it's well worth a visit—and there are opportunities there to do that.

So, I think there are clear divisions in the Chamber, particularly on the tourism tax and on the relieving of social distancing measures. I think the Government still has more to say, I think, about 2021, autumn 2021 and 2022. I still think that there's more to be said, and I think the Government is still working it out is the answer to some of the thin responses the Minister gave, and particularly with that tourism levy. But nonetheless, let's use this as a positive opportunity now to try and find some common ground, and hopefully find the answers to these questions we've raised in this debate.