Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:17 pm on 15 September 2021.
Diolch, Dirprwy Lywydd, and I'd like to thank Members and the Minister, of course, for a reply and the contributions to today's debate. I might not have agreed with them all, but thank you nonetheless.
Dirprwy Lywydd, this debate couldn’t be more timely. This morning, on the bus in, there was a BBC news headline: ‘Price rises see record jump as food costs soar in August.’ The biggest increase in inflation since records began in 1997, yet we hear nothing, nothing from the Tory Government: no u-turn on the scrapping of the £20 uplift to universal credit, nothing on what measures it will take to protect the most vulnerable in society or the largest reduction to any social security payment since the 1930s. Instead, we've got the work and pensions Secretary backing the cut to universal credit saying that it would only mean two hours of extra work. If only it was that simple. 'Shameful’ is probably the word that's most appropriate that comes to my mind. I'm sure the Dirprwy Lywydd wouldn't want or even take kindly to the words I used when I initially heard the comments, so I'm minded not to repeat them.
Now, we know that the reduction in universal credit and working tax credits will have implications for the Welsh economy. The Bevan Foundation have estimated that the cut will directly remove £286 million from the pockets of low-income families in Wales annually. We hear about the emphasis on economic recovery. Well, it will no doubt be hindered by the decisions taken by the UK Tory Government, who would rather punish the working class and help their rich butties. As Delyth Jewell has already asked us: what is £20? That's money that could have gone on essentials—money that would have been spent in our economy, money that could have gone on the occasional treat.
Sioned Williams rightly pointed out the effect that the cut to universal credit would have on working families. As she has already highlighted, the TUC tells us that a third of families affected in Wales will be working families, and that's families in each and every one of our constituencies and regions. This is about dignity and respect for our fellow citizens, and on this point of dignity and respect, with the evidence—and, of course, evidence collected over the course of almost a decade, by the way—against universal credit, I find it hard to believe that the Welsh Conservatives still defend it. Case after case after case where families are stuck in a vicious cycle of poverty. And I've sat here, as well, through this entire debate, and all I've been hearing are Conservative Members on the benches laughing. Laughing. You should be utterly ashamed. [Interruption.] No, I will not be taking an intervention, thank you. No, I will not take an intervention. [Interruption.] I will not take an intervention. You have been laughing all the way through this debate.
Come with me; come with me to my region. And I'm sure Sarah Murphy as well—we both represent the same area. We'll take you to some of those families who have been affected by the Tory Government, and we'll see what they think about the fact that you laugh on your benches. You should be utterly ashamed—