Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:42 pm on 22 September 2021.
You raise a very important point, which I was going to say, really. We have always talked about ambulances and we've talked always about the patients. But no health board so far has come up—. How many people in the A&E department are working at a given time? It is not more than one or two people, and they are the most junior people, they are not well versed with the A&E department. And as we talked about, at hospitals by night, you can go and ear, nose and throat people will see the orthopaedics, medical people will see surgical patients and there's chaos. So, always when we're talking about ambulance times, I would urge the Minister to tell us how many doctors are working in a given time in the A&E department, and you will see for yourself that it is not the ambulance services, it is the department of health that is failing us and it is making it a scapegoat, this 'Ambulance, ambulance'. Thank you.