We're talking about serious, deep-rooted issues affecting patient safety, resulting in tragic losses of life. We're also talking about impacts on hard-working front-line staff, desperately worried about the care they can offer due to problems with underinvestment and under-resourcing. Responsibility, finally, must be accepted and acted upon for the years of failings in mental health care in north Wales. The debate today focuses on how releasing the Robin Holden report is surely a vital step towards addressing the wider problems and getting to the root causes of these tragic problems once and for all.