Absolutely, I certainly recognise the scale of the challenge that we face. It's the use of the term 'epidemic' that I take issue with, really, in this context.

Our approach in Wales is very much based on the recognition that we need to promote resilience, we need to intervene early, and all our reforms are based on changing that whole system, to have that early intervention and preventative approach that we need in Wales. The figures that you highlight in relation to waiting times—we did see a spike in referrals for children and young people specialist CAMHS, and the figure that you have highlighted is correct. It does vary across Wales, and I am meeting regularly with vice-chairs to discuss their performance in this area, as well as having focused discussions with health boards where there are particular problems.

The other point that I would make is that we know that a lot of the children who are waiting for specialist CAMHS assessments are not going to meet the threshold for specialist CAMHS, and should really be helped earlier on in the system. I know too that there are lots of really good tier 0 services that are available in Wales, but that families aren't always taking those up. So, what would be really helpful for me, and for children and young people, is if we could all do what we can as well to highlight the value of those lower-level interventions, which in all likelihood are going to be the ones lots of children and young people are going to need anyway.