Thank you for that question, Laura, and I'd like to say that I'm a huge fan of health visitors. I had amazing support off my health visitor after I had my first child and I entirely recognise what you've said about the life-saving role that they can play and also the vital safeguarding role that they play.

The training that I referred to for the perinatal period would absolutely apply to health visitors as well, because we recognise that the contact after birth is largely through health visitor contact, which is now returning much more to a normal position. And I will pick up the issues that you've raised around the recruitment of health visitors with the Minister for Health and Social Services.