Thank you. Well, you ventured out there, and well done you.

I am also grateful to your officials, Minister, for sending me information and also for meeting with me this morning.

Finally, I am astounded at the Conservative position on this in Wales, because I do understand that Boris Johnson is keen on looking at this to be introduced across England. So, the situation there kind of perplexes me slightly. But I want to be clear here that I cannot support this, and there are six reasons, very quickly, Llywydd, that I want to just outline, really.

COVID passports will not reduce the harm. What's being proposed here is either—let's be very clear—that you present something to demonstrate that you're double vaccinated, or a lateral flow test within the last 48 hours. In relation to the lateral flow test, you could absolutely meet somebody in those 48 hours before you enter that venue, and you could, therefore, catch COVID. The queuing for passes, as well, as we've heard, could actually mean that that is transmitted from one person to another. And finally, I understand from the briefing provided by your officials this morning that there is discretion at venues to actually not check everybody. The larger venues, I understand, are allowed to spot check. So, this immediately, for me, breaks down this argument. This is about doing it properly or not doing it at all.

My second reason is this: if it's designed to encourage people to be vaccinated, the evidence doesn't support it. Again, I did hear from your officials this morning—and I'm grateful for this, diolch yn fawr iawn—as quoted by Russell George, there is evidence in here, the first page actually very clearly states that the evidence does not support, that certification is one of the factors that might discourage people from being vaccinated—that is, that going to a venue and requiring vaccination does not encourage people to seek that vaccination.

Thirdly, this is about it being proportionate and my concern is that it will discriminate against people. I've had concerns raised with me by the National Autistic Society that their members are extremely concerned and, indeed, confused about this.

My fourth point is that this is about poor law making. These amendments represent the seventeenth set of amendments to the fifth set of COVID regulations and there's no end date for their use. It's poor law making, in my view, which could set a dangerous precedent.

Fifthly, it will be bad for business and bad for workers. I am really confused as to why people going into venues have to have this COVID pass, but actually the people working in the venues or volunteering in the venues don't have to have a COVID pass. So, straight away, you end up with people being put at risk because they don't have to have that COVID pass. If the Government is certain of the efficacy and need for COVID passports, then why would you leave workers at risk of transmission?

Sixthly and finally, fundamentally COVID passports are an infringement on our freedoms and liberty, and it's great to hear so many people here talking about liberty. You can join our party, the Liberal Democrats, if you really feel so strongly about liberalism and about liberty. But a basic tenet of human rights is the necessity test: does the action taken outweigh those freedoms and rights that we have so fought for over all of the centuries?

Finally—I do finish on this—I urge Members to vote against these proposals today. Let's concentrate on what we know works and what we know that the vast majority of people in Wales are already doing: masks, vaccines, boosters, test, trace and protect, keeping our distance. That's what we know works. This is actually a distraction. I know that this is a difficult issue; it's been a difficult one for me to contemplate and I know that there are party lines to hold, but please, think about what you vote for this afternoon and about the course that this sets us on. Thank you. Diolch yn fawr iawn.