Questions Without Notice from the Party Leaders

Part of 1. Questions to the First Minister – in the Senedd at 1:55 pm on 9 November 2021.

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Photo of Mark Drakeford Mark Drakeford Labour 1:55, 9 November 2021

Well, Llywydd, there are more people working in the NHS today than at any time in its history, and that is true of clinical staff, nurses, doctors and other forms of specialists who help to keep our NHS the place that it is. And on the Member's comments on beds, I saw the material that the Conservative Party in Wales put out on beds, and it is so deeply mistaken that it's hard to imagine that they don't know that it's mistaken when they put it out. The fall in beds in Wales has been slower than it is in England under his Conservative Government in the last 10 years. Falls in bed numbers are characteristic of all advanced health services, as we aim to look after more people with learning disabilities in the community, more people with mental health conditions in the community, and more elderly people in their own homes than in hospital beds. As the length of stay for patients in a hospital bed reduces, the number of beds in the health service has fallen as well. It's fallen more slowly in Wales than under his Government in England over the last decade. And more beds are not the answer in the modern health service, albeit the fact, as I've noticed that his press releases never mentioned once, that there were 6,000 extra beds created in the health service last year in order to deal with the pandemic crisis.

As to future arrangements and the sorts of regional provision that could be put in place in order to help deal with the backlog, then, of course, the Welsh Government is working with the Royal College of Surgeons and others to make plans for that sort of provision here in Wales. We will be, as will every other part of the United Kingdom, looking for scarce resources in order to deal with the backlog. The whole of the United Kingdom has seen the sorts of rises in numbers waiting for treatment that the Member refers to here. There is no easy spare capacity waiting to be used for any part of the United Kingdom. We will create capacity here in Wales, we will reform some of the working practices that can result in greater productivity, and we'll work with others in other parts of the United Kingdom to learn from any experiments that are being mounted there in order to try to do what any Member of this Senedd would wish to see done: that people get the treatment they need as quickly as that is possible in the extraordinary circumstances of a continuing public health pandemic that the health service is dealing with here in Wales today.