Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:17 pm on 9 November 2021.
The point is this, okay? It seems to me that you have a problem—that you don't trust people to take a lateral flow test and give their own result. It seems to me that you can't trust people. Well, we are prepared to trust people here to do the right thing.
But let's go back to where we are. In terms of fairness, they are fair because they give people more confidence to enjoy more freedoms. You talk about freedoms—I've heard that word here—and they actually extend civil liberties, not restrict them, because they allow people to feel safe, they allow people to be freer. Therefore, those people's civil liberties are being extended. So, I absolutely support your decision, Minister, to extend the measures to cinemas, concert halls and theatres. It is, after all, and it has been said many times, one more way to keep Wales safe at alert level 0, because the alternative will be, if we carry on, having to look at other measures that might be more restrictive.
I am somehow at odds to understand how the Tories here can on the one hand be in Government in Westminster requiring, mandating NHS workers to have vaccines before they can work, and yet won't support what is a very, very simple process of COVID passes in Wales. I'm just a little bit staggered. I just think somehow what you're doing here in your objection today is voting against just for the sake of doing it, not for the sake of looking at the safety and the freedom of people to carry on doing what they want to do in places where they want to go, knowing that they have an element of safety and security that we are hoping here today to deliver for them, giving them their freedom, giving businesses their freedom to operate. Thank you.