I think it's difficult to subvert the will of an electorate that's voting for you. It's one of the more curious arguments I've heard for some time. But I think it's right and proper that we discuss our democracy and how to deepen and broaden that democracy, and it's right and proper that we do it now, this time of year. Last weekend, we were marking the anniversary of the Chartists' march to Newport, where Chartists left Tredegar and Nantyglo and marched for democracy and campaigned and died for democracy, because democracy is something that too many of us here and elsewhere take for granted, and people campaign and die for democracy in different parts of Europe every day of the year, and we should recognise that, and we should never take any parts of our democracy for granted. I enjoyed the opening contribution from the Minister, from the Counsel General, on this matter. It's one of these areas where, for me, a happy coincidence of practicalities and philosophical commitment come together in this debate. It is right and proper that the Welsh Government constantly looks for ways of broadening participation in our democracy, and I'm grateful to the Minister and I'm glad to see that Blaenau Gwent is included in these trials, and I look forward to playing my part in ensuring that we can ensure that more people play a role in democratic elections and democratic participation than they have done in the past, and I look forward to conversations with the Minister about how that can be achieved.

But it is absolutely essential, and certainly during my time in Government I was very proud to propose legislation that extended the franchise to 16 and 17-year-olds. I was very proud to explore different ways in which can enable all the residents of Wales to participate in Welsh elections. One of the most telling aspects of this debate is that the Conservative contribution to it is to try to stop people from voting and not to encourage more people to vote. It's an extraordinary contribution to any democratic debate. And all too often—and I'll say this to you more in sorrow than in anger, as the saying goes—we all take and learn a lot from the United States; there are some things that should never cross the Atlantic. The commitment of the Republican Party to the disenfranchisement of different parts of the American population is one of the things that we don't want to see in this country. I'll take the intervention.