7. Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee and Equality and Social Justice Committee Debate: Well-being of Future Generations Act 2015: Scrutiny of implementation

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:26 pm on 24 November 2021.

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Photo of Jenny Rathbone Jenny Rathbone Labour 4:26, 24 November 2021

Thank you. I'd like to use this opportunity to pay tribute to Nick Ramsay, who chaired the Public Accounts Committee, and this report he headed, and he said in his foreword that, ultimately, making the well-being of future generations Act work

'depends on everyone and every public body.'

Though, of course, it sits more heavily on some than others. It is our core duty as a Senedd to hold the Welsh Government and the other 43 bodies named in the Act to account, and it can be quite challenging to keep the five ways of working in mind as strategies for delivering all the seven well-being goals: prosperous, resilient, globally responsible, healthier, more equal and more cohesive communities, which have a vibrant culture, including a thriving Welsh language.

This morning on the radio, I was presciently reminded that

'The way a culture treats women in birth is a good indicator of how well women and their contributions to society are valued and honored.'

And the quote, from Ina May Gaskin, operating in the most overmedicalised and wealthiest country in the world, where women's role in reproducing the human race is deemed so unimportant that it provides them with little to no financial or legal rights in law.

But this institution, and the Welsh Government, is not responsible, for example, for the constant erosion of child benefit by the UK Government at the other end of the M4. However, we obviously have a huge responsibility for ensuring any child born today has the best possible chance of being prosperous, resilient, healthy and globally responsible, as an active member of a cohesive, more equal, vibrant and at least bilingual country and citizen of the world. Given the unprecedented challenges occasioned by the pandemic, the economic upheavals of adjusting to a dysfunctional globalised economy that is no longer fit for purpose in the context of the climate emergency, if the well-being of future generations Act didn't exist, we would have to invent it. So, 'da iawn' and thank you so much, Carl Sargeant, and all the other people who were involved in creating this Act. It really does provide us with a crucial framework for providing our way through the complexities of the decisions we need to make with really very limited resources. We have no choice but to ask, 'What can we do differently in order to achieve the change I hope we can make on behalf of the people who elected us to do this job?'

In line with recommendation 13 and 14, the Business Committee has assigned to the Equality and Social Justice Committee the lead cross-cutting role of scrutinising this revolutionary Act, but that does not absolve members of other committees. We all have to take the Act just as seriously as the 44 public bodies we must scrutinise. Every committee must see it as their responsibility to incorporate the principles and aims of the Act in their day-to-day work.

So, just focusing a little bit on these legacy reports, obviously, the big report is the one that was produced in I think it was May 2020, in the middle of the pandemic. And the work of the committee—the Public Accounts Committee—which I was on, was, in turn, postponed because of the pandemic, quite rightly. So, I can see that, for new Members, it could be quite confusing to work out why are we discussing this now, when there's such a long tail to this story.

But I think that I want to have a look, in particular, at the role of public services boards, which really are a crucial driver in the changes we need to make. And looking at recommendation 2 and the reasons why we wrote it that way, some public services boards are much further along the journey of cultural change than others and they, in turn—PSBs are constantly on the move. We started with 22; at the time of the PAC report publication, we had 19; and now, with the radical amalgamation of five local authorities—Blaenau Gwent, Torfaen, Caerphilly, Monmouth and Newport—into Gwent PSB, I think we have both a very exciting leader on the role that PSBs can play, but also it tells you that they are very different. But I wonder if the Minister could say a little bit more on how the Government thinks PSBs should be nurtured to take forward their role. This is not about giving them budgets, because the whole point of PSBs is that they don't have budgets; it's about getting them to work together and deliver on the Act. But I think it really does merit further elaboration on how the Government sees the role of PSBs going forward and their near relation, the regional partnership boards.