Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:18 pm on 30 November 2021.
Well, thank you very much, Llywydd. It's clear that Plaid Cymru has arrived, because the Conservatives spend more time discussing the Plaid Cymru manifesto and policies than they discuss their own policies, and again that underlines, I think, how increasingly irrelevant the Conservatives are becoming in this place.
I'm pleased that Sam read the Plaid Cymru manifesto. I hope he read the rest of the manifesto to learn a few lessons as to what the Conservatives need to emulate. Yes, Plaid Cymru opposed these CJCs, but that primary legislation was passed against our wishes, and of course the focus now is to ensure that these CJCs, which will come into existence, never mind what the Conservatives do this afternoon, are introduced in the way that is in keeping with the principles that we as a party still adhere to. And if you read the co-operation agreement with the Government, you will see that we state quite clearly that we will continue—and I quote—to 'keep regional partnership working under review' and that we of course will ensure that they are 'based on local priorities', which is exactly that fact that we need to keep that link with local democracy. Now, I will also tell the Conservative spokesperson that you need to listen better when the Minister for local government answers my questions in this Senedd, because, only a fortnight ago, I asked that question on taking more responsibilities away from local government up to these CJCs, and I will again quote, to save you looking at the Record. What the Minister said in response to me was,
'There will be no shifting of responsibilities unless those requests came from local authorities themselves.'
So, don't come here to scaremonger. Yes, we are serious about ensuring that services remain as local as possible, and we will scrutinise these additional regulations that will come before this Senedd through that lens. Moving these structures does run the risk—and I agree—it runs the risk that we will create an additional tier of governance and that will bring bureaucracy and additional costs in its wake, but what you're voting for on these regulations today isn't going to change the fact that the CJCs will be established. So grow up, engage with the debate and ensure that the CJCs do operate in the way you want them to, rather than burying your heads in the sand. But I'm responding to the debate in the way that the Minister should do, perhaps, so I will stop there.
But there is a valid point on costs. The regulatory impact assessment shows that over six years, the cost could be between £10 million and £16 million, and the question is: where is that money coming from? Now, as one council leader told me, they're not in a position to second human resources to fill some of these posts because they are already under huge pressures when it comes to human resources in terms of providing core services. They're not in a position either to top slice their financial resources as local authorities, because services are under huge pressure because of the financial situation that we are all aware of. So, there is a question to be answered there and that is my fundamental question to the Minister today. The Government has insisted that these CJCs are established, so I assume, Minister, that the Government will be funding them too.