Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:54 pm on 30 November 2021.
Diolch yn fawr, Russell. Just to make it absolutely clear: I'm very aware of the precarious situation we are in in relation to the NHS as we enter winter, which is, traditionally, a very challenging time anyway, but, obviously, this year we have the added pressures that have built due to the pandemic. We're concerned about the possible flu outbreak; there are already very significant calls on A&E. So, what we're going to try and do here is to try and ensure that on top of all of that, we don't see an additional wave of this new omicron variant hitting our hospitals. So, what we're doing is listening to the advice of the JCVI—they are the scientific experts who are telling us, 'Go early and get people vaccinated before any potential wave hits us'. So, we are listening to that advice.
In terms of a vaccination Minister, obviously, that is a call for the First Minister. If I were to say something, I would say that, actually, it's the First Minister who is the vaccination Minister, because he takes such a very, very active interest in the vaccination programme. He has weekly meetings where he interrogates the officials to make sure that we're on top of that, and I would suggest that that's part of the reason why we have one of the most successful vaccination programmes in the entire world. So, it is something where I'm very confident that our vaccination Minister, who is, indeed, the First Minister, is doing a very good job. In terms of the supply, we were very pleased to see and have had confirmed that there is a plentiful supply of both Pfizer and Moderna, which are the two vaccines that are being recommended.
In terms of walk-in centres, I've got the JCVI advice here and I'll read exactly what it says. It says that the
'Booster vaccination should now be offered in order of descending age groups, with priority given to the vaccination of older adults and those in a COVID-19 at-risk group.'
That's what the JCVI are saying and that's why we're following their advice. The walk-in centres are a bit of a free-for-all; we are following the advice of the JCVI. If we are going to go further, obviously, we are going to mount now a massive response in terms of how we mobilise this new vaccination army that we will be developing in the next few days. We've already, obviously, spoken to our health boards who are coming up with more detailed plans for us tomorrow. Discussions have already been had with local government, with the army, with all kinds of organisations to see what more can we put in place and who's up for this—who is up for helping us out at this very challenging time.
We've always said that schools will be the last things to close. We're doing our utmost to try and keep them open, and I was very pleased to see that the education Minister made that announcement yesterday. We will do everything that we can to try and keep our children in school. Obviously, if we find out that this is not a serious variant and it doesn't impact us too negatively, then we will respond in a way that is appropriate. Because we don't know the situation, I think it's absolutely right for us to err on the side of caution.
In relation to the COVID pass, the telephone line, we know, has been under real pressure. I hope Members received a letter from me outlining what we're planning to do there. There's been a recruitment drive to try and increase the number of people who are available to answer the phones. We're putting a patch in to make sure that we can just manage people better. We are aware of the situation in terms of the COVID certificates and the difficulty of somebody who's had one vaccine, perhaps, in Wales, and another in Scotland. England and Wales should be speaking to each other. It is still difficult for the Welsh and the Scottish system, but we are aware of that and we're working on that. In relation to the COVID pass, I'm not going to apologise for the fact we have introduced this COVID pass in areas where lots of people congregate. We know that the virus just thrives in areas where lots of people congregate indoors, and so I'm not going to apologise for that. What we will do is to determine and to address the situation, of course, in our three-weekly 21-day review process, but if we were to see that the situation changed quickly, obviously we may need to bring in measures more quickly than that. We're not in that place yet, but we're, obviously, keeping an eye on the situation as the days go on.