Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:30 pm on 11 January 2022.
Can I say, Minister, I think it is entirely unacceptable at this point in the pandemic that we are voting on these regulations retrospectively? This was, of course, understood nearly two years ago at the beginning of the pandemic, but we are now in a virtual meeting, where meetings can be requested more easily, and we are now in a position where the regulations should be debated first before the regulations come into being. We also, I think, need to see the scientific evidence that's behind the regulations being provided much earlier, not late as they have been in the instance of these regulations as well.
And there are a number of anomalies, I think, in the current set of regulations, Minister. There's been quite a bit of discussion today on parkruns, for example, during First Minister's questions and the last item as well. I think a ban on outdoor events, such as parkruns, which attract over and above 50 people as a maximum attendance, as you've set out, is inappropriate. I've heard, Minister, your explanation in the previous item, but other Members mentioned the practicalities in regard to overcoming some of the issues. You, I think, Minister, in the last item, talked about there being some give and take from the organisers. Well, I would suggest there's give and take from you, Minister, in regard to the regulations and in regard to the review of the regulations later this week. I hear what you say in regard to parkruns, Minister, but I think it is absurd that in a recent Caerphilly rugby match, there were 50 spectators on the touchline, but 140 in the clubhouse. So, this points to significant aspects of the regulations not being proportionate. And, of course, these regulations, especially in regard to outdoor sporting events, have a significant impact on people's mental health and well-being as well. Of course, I point out today that restrictions on large outdoor events in Scotland will come to an end from Monday.
The last technical advice group evidence was published on 17 December, which doesn't quite take into account the evidence coming out now. We, as Welsh Conservatives, Minister, will not be supporting these regulations today. There are quite a number of aspects of the regulations that we do support, particularly in regard to the various requirements for face masks and other aspects as well. You will be aware, Minister, that we've previously supported the vast majority of the Welsh Government's regulations, even though we've had concerns about aspects of those regulations, but I'm afraid, on this occasion, there are more anomalies that, on balance, make it not appropriate for the Welsh Conservatives to give their support to the regulations.
You've outlined, Minister, that if these regulations are not supported today, the regulations will then cease and there'll be fewer restrictions in Wales. What I would say to that, Minister, is that the regulations need to come forward and be debated before they come into force, along with the scientific evidence being published at that time as well, and then we would not be in the position as you set out. Diolch.