This wasn't tabled as a debate about independence. Yes, we on the Plaid Cymru benches are crystal clear in our version of an independent Wales, and our resources, the careful management of those resources for the benefit of all the people of Wales, form a big part of that. But, of course, controlling those resources as best we can, stopping exploitation, often by others outside Wales, of the resources that we have, I'd argue, is a pretty important element, even in the sub-optimal constitutional position that we find ourselves in now. And I'd hope everybody would agree with that, too.

But how interesting it is that, in its 'delete all' amendment, Welsh Government decides to pitch in with a defence of the current constitutional position, welcoming, in effect, the limiting of control over our resources. It's a topsy-turvy statement, that amendment, saying that the way to get most control over our resources is by not being in ultimate control of them. They say we're best served in the UK, with decisions affecting Wales made in Wales, when the same amendment says how appallingly badly the UK Government does things.

Only today in the House of Commons, the UK Secretary of State for Wales said there's no public appetite for devolution of the Crown Estate in Wales. I know devolution of the Crown Estate is something the Minister now warmly supports, and I appreciate her comments on that today, but let me tell you—let me translate for you, perhaps—what the Secretary of State meant today. What he meant was that the UK Government has no appetite for devolving the Crown Estate to Wales. As we've heard argued today, devolution of the Crown Estate would bring huge benefits to Wales, as Scotland is seeing—that staggering 25 GW of leased energy recently published by Crown Estate Scotland is quite remarkable. 

I think it's very revealing that what I took out of the Member for Aberconwy's comments was that she believes we are not capable of being in control of those resources. I'll welcome it if she wants to put up a defence, but what I heard was that she does not believe we are capable of making good use of the devolution of Crown Estate powers.