10. Legislative Consent Motion on the Health and Care Bill

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:51 pm on 15 February 2022.

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Photo of Rhun ap Iorwerth Rhun ap Iorwerth Plaid Cymru 4:51, 15 February 2022

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I would like to explain why I and Plaid Cymru will be opposing forcefully this LCM. This is a very wide-ranging Bill that it refers to. It contains elements, as the Minister said, that she is eager to see being extended to Wales. I certainly don't have any opposition to seeing the sharing of legislation across these isles, for example, in an area such as making it illegal to test someone's virginity. Of course we support taking that particular step, but, as a health committee, when we look at the content in that way, we also note time and time again how uncomfortable we feel with regard to the use of this process.

We welcome the words of the committee Chair, Russell George, in concluding his contribution, that there is a concern expressed time and time again in committee about the impact of these LCMs on the integrity of devolution. The more the Welsh Government consents, the more I fear that the United Kingdom Government is empowered to do more, to take further steps to undermine the integrity of the devolution settlement as it stands—a settlement that has been supported by the people of Wales—because of the need to ensure that the most detailed scrutiny possible is undertaken here in Wales on the issues that are relevant to our population, and, yes, on issues where we may very well wish to follow the same direction as our friends in other parts of these isles, but that scrutiny has to happen here in Wales.

We have to have the time to undertake that scrutiny. We can't have the time when following a piecemeal process of legislative consent of this kind. And, as I say, in terms of the content and intentions of elements of this Bill in Westminster, yes, we can agree with those, but we can't ignore the undermining that's happening here, and that is why it's very important that we oppose robustly this attempt that's one of an increasing number of attempts across all policy areas of the Senedd. I'm grateful to the Chair of the legislation committee for noting so clearly that he, like me, doesn't consider this a small constitutional risk. The impact of these measures taken together does lead to a genuine risk to the future of devolution, and unless we as a Senedd stress clearly our concerns about that, then who will?