Well, the Welsh Government bought it out, didn't they? It is a matter of concern that we had a system that stopped councils building houses and where council houses were going to be sold and you only got 50 per cent of the value of that house. And despite Janet Finch-Saunders's assertion that for every one house you could build three, for every two houses, you could build one at most.

But, returning to empty houses, there are far too many of them, they're a potential source of housing. We need to get those houses back into use. They're not always in areas that people don't want to live in. In some of the most sought-after areas in my constituency, you can walk down roads and find three or four empty properties. But if we just try and get the empty properties back, that will not solve all the problems. There are two ways of increasing the building of new houses in Wales. One is to abandon all planning control and let the market decide where houses can be built, which effectively happened before the Town and Country Planning Act 1947. This would lead to building in areas that are currently protected, including green belt and areas of agricultural land. The other way of doing it is to build large-scale council housing, which is what happened between 1945 and 1979, and that worked. And can I just say that I think the second method is far, far superior to the first? 

There's a shortage of affordable rented accommodation, especially in the cities. The private sector has filled some of the gap due to the shortage of social housing. And we've come full circle from the 1950s and early 1960s, when there were lots of privately rented accommodation, and then the council housing came along, that privately rented accommodation became owner-occupied, and you go to areas like the area I'm from in Plasmarl, and Plasmarl has gone through the full circle. It used to be nearly all privately rented; now it is all privately rented again. But, in the middle bit, it was nearly all owner-occupied. It was a place for first-time buyers. The buying up of houses and renting them out is removing the opportunity for first-time buyers to enter the housing market.

We need more social housing, and affordable housing to me means council housing. And I think that housing associations can be thrown in there as well, but council housing is by far the best and most affordable housing. We need to build enough affordable homes to meet Wales's projected housing needs, but the needs are not on an all-Wales basis. If you build them in bits of James Evans's constituency of Powys, you will not be much use to those people living in Cardiff. So, you need to build them where there is a housing shortage. I mean, what we need also is housing associations and councils to have a common waiting list, so people can move between the two.

We need to increase skills. And we were talking about building houses, we haven't got enough skilled tradespeople for building these houses. It's all integrated. We need to improve the skills, and then we need the commitment to build houses and the funding for council houses, which can be done by using prudential borrowing—. Yes.