7. Welsh Conservative Debate: The Armed Forces

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:20 pm on 16 March 2022.

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Photo of Jenny Rathbone Jenny Rathbone Labour 4:20, 16 March 2022

My grandfather served in the first world war, and he was serving in all the worst places with the highest numbers of casualties. He was in the Royal Artillery, which was, obviously, bringing the guns up to the front with the use of horses, which illustrates how it is very important that the military has to change in line with new technology; we cannot be fighting wars with horses any longer. He never got the mental health support that he needed. He had at least two mental breakdowns during the war, and, after the war, he still didn't get the support he needed. In the end, I'm afraid to say, he committed suicide, much to the, obviously, loss of my grandmother and my mother.

I just wanted to talk about the relevance of the military today in the current situation we face with war in Europe, because there is a role that I think the military can and should be playing to assist all those countries surrounding Ukraine who are struggling to deal with so many people having fled the military war. There has been an outpouring of generosity from Welsh people to Ukrainian families; £25 million has been donated already to the Disasters Emergency Committee, which has been matched by the UK Government, and the UK Government is also providing medical supplies. But a lot of the donations in kind are coming from the voluntary sector.

It's difficult for us to comprehend that Poland is now providing a safe refuge to 1.5 million people who are absolutely destitute. They've just fled with what they can carry, and as it's geographically closer than the numbers who've taken refuge in Romania, Slovakia and Moldova, I think we need to concentrate on trying to assist the people of Poland to relieve some of the stress on them, because the mayor of Warsaw clearly has appealed to other countries to share the heavy lifting required to provide appropriate accommodation for traumatised children and families and the elderly. I really do think that it is quite shameful that we in this country have only offered 4,000 visas to enable people to come to Britain, and that's without even discussing how they're going to get here. Literally, people have left with nothing.

We know that some 7,000 households in Wales have already openly offered to host families fleeing from the war, but even when the Home Office gets round to giving them visas, how are these people supposed to get here? It isn't good enough, and I'm sure the British public doesn't want us to go on being bystanders to this tragedy. So, there really is a role for the British military to play in speeding up the process, and enabling people to arrive. It's one thing for Rhys Jones and his friends to drive from Conwy to Ukraine. These are farmers, people who know how to fix their vehicles when they break down and are perfectly competent at getting to difficult places, but most of the people in my constituency who I know have offered their homes are simply not in that situation. These are people who, if they break down in a car, would rely on emergency roadside assistance, and that simply is laughable, isn't it, in the context of going to Poland to bring back people so that they can have a place of safety here in Wales.

I think that we really do need to mobilise the logistical units of the British Army to bring these people back to Wales, because the logistics are key to a functioning military in armed conflicts. That is why the Russians have got into such difficulty, because they haven't been able to sort out how they're going to feed their troops, never mind re-equip them with ammunition. This is what enabled us to win the Falklands war 3,000 miles away—because the logistical regiments were really, really organised. There are no logistical regiments based in Wales, but we do have the 157 royal logistical regiment, which is a reserve logistical regiment, which is based in Cardiff with squadrons in Cardiff, Swansea, Carmarthen, Haverfordwest and Queensferry. These people could all be mobilised if their employers would co-operate. They've been trained on how to get people out of conflict zones and they can bring them safely by land and then by sea so that people can reach Wales more quickly. This is a really good role for the military in this current situation, so I do hope that we can pursue that with the UK Government, because, obviously, there's got to be liaison with the Polish Government to enable them to go there at all.