I thank Mike Hedges for his very passionate contribution, and I know this is an area that Mike has campaigned on and articulated in this Chamber for a number of years. The short answer to your question around whether I would condemn fire and rehire is 'yes'. We're absolutely committed to using all the levers we can to go as far as we can to make sure that, actually, that practice is not being used in Wales. But, of course, we need that legislation at a UK level and that employment Bill that was promised in 2019 still hasn't been introduced. As I said in my statement, how long can we go on having some of the most restrictive and limited protections for workers in the whole of Europe, and examples like P&O and other—? It's been brought into much sharper focus, I think, in the past six months during the pandemic, and more people are aware of the consequences of tactics like fire and rehire because, actually, our current structure allows that to happen. So, absolutely, I condemn it and it needs to be outlawed, and people in work need greater protections wherever they work across the UK.

On outsourcing, the key point is that outsourcing is not used to erode terms and conditions, as a means, shall I say, to paraphrase, to level down. Organisations that will be captured by our social partnership and public procurement Bill will need to approach these issues in ways that are consistent with the socially responsible procurement duties. We're also seeking to strengthen the code of practice and ethical procurement alongside that, and actually the procurement duties within the Bill, we'll also look at applying to supply chains as well. So, we're looking at all those levers we have in Wales to make a difference in the areas that Mike Hedges raised, as well as and alongside our programme for government commitment to make sure that we explore where services can be sustainably and affordably be brought back into a strengthened public sector, we will do.