Can I thank James for bringing this debate forward? Diolch yn fawr iawn, James. I'm very grateful to you. I speak as a former child protection social worker who worked for around 25 years with children and young people. Part of the battle for me was actually getting those children and their families into CAMHS services.

I just want to recognise a few things in Wales that I think have gone well. I'm really pleased to see the whole-school approach to mental health continue to be rolled out, because a focus on prevention and trauma-informed school environments are incredibly important in nurturing positive mental health among children and young people. But we are in a really difficult place. I'm going to listen to the rest of the debate to decide how I vote this evening, because it really does concern me that there are two major issues. One is the CAMHS waiting time. It is far too long, and I'm looking forward to hearing from the Minister what the figures are around the waiting times, because I'm a little bit unclear what they are. And we heard some from Laura Anne Jones in the debate, but I read some different figures this morning, so I would ask the Minister just to clarify what the waiting times are for four weeks or more. 

My own view is that we need a panoply of services. I'm not sure it needs a whole new service. We've got some really good services. The crisis resolution and home treatment service provide a rapid, community-based service 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, but it's only for young people over the age of 18. We're talking here about getting to those situations long before.

I think there are two important issues. One is, as I've said, that waiting list. In my experience as a child protection social worker, it is far too long. If you can get in early, you can prevent those children and young people and their families struggling with those mental health issues, and potentially becoming looked-after children, which is a terrible state, to think that's what happens to many children and young people.

Secondly, I would like to pay tribute to the voluntary and third sector services across Wales. There are some amazing ones, and in my experience, young people actually prefer to go to those volunteer services much more than they do to statutory services. They feel much safer going to a service that doesn't have 'NHS' over it. We actually need to work much closer with those volunteer services. There are many, like Youth Shedz in Blaenau Ffestiniog, which I visited last summer, Brecon Mind, the Amethyst project in Aberteifi, and the Sanctuary in Pembrokeshire. My view is that the Welsh Government needs to look at these services, and map them out for us to see how we can create further capacity for them to meet the needs of children and young people who are experiencing mental health difficulties, and to give them sustainable long-term funding and to see whether they can provide the 24/7 approach, which I believe is absolutely invaluable.

I'm going to end with a quote I heard from a young person: 'It's always the ones who are making others laugh and smile who are struggling the most.' We have to take that into account, and we have to see that young people are really suffering in silence. We need to reach in there and help them. I believe that is through a form of 24-hour, seven-days-a-week service that really helps those children and families at the time that they need it, before it's too late. Thank you. Diolch yn fawr iawn.