Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:20 pm on 24 May 2022.
Well, you're exactly right in that. And as I did with Samuel Kurtz, I would invite the Member, if she has any particular steps to suggest that aren't contained within the plan, I'd be more than happy to listen to them.
There are two main points in the Member's questions. First of all is the role of local authorities in ensuring that progress in made in terms of their responsibilities to provide for Welsh-medium education, and the second is an analysis of what's happened in the past that has meant that we've not reached our targets. And I think both of those are complex issues.
In terms of the first, the intention underpinning the publication of the data and this plan, as well as the strategic plans, is that we have joint ownership with the broader sector and local authorities for not just meeting the current demand, but also generating demand for Welsh-medium education, and being proactive in ensuring that the staff are available to meet that demand that will, hopefully, have been generated. So, that element is a new element; it's an important one, I think.
The WESPs are, generally speaking, ambitious. I'm currently looking at some elements of those at the moment. But every local authority has taken up the challenge that we've set for them in terms of increasing the numbers receiving education through the medium of Welsh in their area, so that is a step forward. And that of course means a pattern of investment in school buildings and estates that allows that to happen—that is, that there is balance across the portfolio so that Welsh-medium education gets the same attention as English-medium education in order to ensure that the challenge set out by the Member is met. She's right: we shouldn't see a situation where there is a lack of balance in investment in the way that she suggests can exist from time to time.
In terms of challenges to date, I think there is more to be learnt in terms of encouraging people to look at a career in teaching through the medium of Welsh at an earlier stage. There is more work that can be done and that is in the plan in order to ensure that access to A-level Welsh is easier. Some aspects around the funding of that are possible; there are aspects around providing that when the numbers aren't particularly large in a particular school in terms of the work we can do with e-sgol and so on. There a few other things that are more creative, perhaps, because the challenge is more apparent. So, one of the things you will have seen in the plan is the intention to work with the Coleg Cymraeg Cenedlaethol to create links with students who have perhaps left Wales who are Welsh speaking and are considering a career in education and encouraging them to return here to teach through the medium of Welsh—so, things that I would suggest are bold and creative.
There have been challenges in terms of the route to qualification. There are proposals in the plan in terms of expanding part-time provision in terms of teacher training and training whilst in employment, and looking again at the GCSE qualifications required in order to qualify here in Wales and bringing them into line with every other part of the UK. So, if you go to any school, you will often hear headteachers saying, 'Well, why does someone need a B in maths to teach Welsh or French?' So, that discussion is ongoing and a review of that would be timely too.
And the final point is—and it's the point made by UCAC that I think you referred to, and I do thank them and others for their contributions to this plan—that the pressures on the sector are broader than just the Welsh-medium education sector, but there might be an additional challenge in that sector. We're looking at a number of things here. One is the role of bursaries in supporting people in teaching through the medium of Welsh. What are the opportunities to attract people back to teaching who have left the profession? We are looking at creative ways of doing that. I've also asked the body advising us on teachers' pay and conditions to look at the specific challenge to Welsh-medium education in some parts of Wales to see if there is a case to reflect that in the kind of advice that they provide us in terms of terms and conditions more generally. So, we would ask them to provide that advice to us.