Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:55 pm on 25 May 2022.
That's actually part of the lessons that we took through in the framework that we put forward and that the OECD worked with us directly on over those three years. The OECD, by the way, is still working with Welsh Government on these matters, and I think that question of learning the lessons of pulling out some of the bureaucracy, but actually within the proposals here, Darren, what we have got is some of that burden of administration—it's a competitive bid process now within the IPs. That competitive bid process is now being managed by individual local authorities. I could go through the list of what we've heard on the forum that continues in a different format to actually share experience from CBI, FSB, the third sector and everybody else, and what they are saying about their experience of this. Actually, they are now taking on that burden of administering this—[Interruption.] I will give way, but I'm conscious of time.