Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:24 pm on 25 May 2022.
Diolch yn fawr iawn, Llywydd. Can I thank everybody for their—well, most Members for their contributions and their constructive contributions to this debate? I think Luke Fletcher struck the right note right at the start. This levelling up is actually a top-down agenda in reality, and I'd go further. What kind of agenda? Well, we're seeing constituencies and authorities being cherry-picked for funding, with the diktat that ribbons must be cut 12 months before the next general election. You're not fooling anybody in terms of what the agenda really is here.
And, I have to say, there was a valiant effort to justify the amendment that's being proposed, but to say that this is about empowering local communities, the reality is quite different. Let's be honest about this. Even under the WEFO programme monitoring committee, you had local government representatives, you had business representatives, you had the education sector, you had the third sector. And now, of course, we have under the levelling-up fund an application process where applications disappear into the bowels of Whitehall somewhere, no doubt to be processed by unelected bureaucrats—remember those—unelected bureaucrats making decisions, and of course it leaves local authorities thrown into this kind of cut-throat competitive environment where you're pitting communities against each other to be in the limelight, to get the money to pay for their projects, and local authorities, likewise, competing against each other.
And, okay, how many times have we heard, 'Wales will not lose out on post-EU funding'? It's reflected again in the amendment. It's straight out of the Boris Johnson playbook, really, isn't it? No matter how ridiculous it is, say it often enough and, do you know what, people might believe you? Well, people are wise to that now. I think we've learnt when not to trust the Tories. It's when their lips move, isn't it? That's what people tell us. Or indeed, when they table these kinds of amendments, or indeed when they promise something in a manifesto. As many Members, many sectors, many organisations are telling us, where has this money gone? It's disappeared. Not a penny less, not a power lost, as we were told. Well, it's far from the truth.
I would agree with a number of the Conservative Members who actually said that we need more clarity around the funding here in Wales. We need the figures provided. We need transparency—those are the words that you used. And I would agree, because I think that does reflect that the current settlement around some of the fiscal powers that we have here is deficient. When I was Chair of finance in the last Senedd, we had one evidence session where we had the Secretary of State telling us that Wales was getting more money, and in the immediate next evidence session we had the finance Minister from Wales telling us we're getting less. And as a committee, we were sort of fumbling around in the dark trying to work it out. Well, if we couldn't work it out then what hope does anybody else have? So, I'd agree with you there that we do need to address this.
And, of course, the killer line for me came more than once from the Conservative benches. Why do we need these funds in Wales after decades of funding from the European Union? Well, because the United Kingdom is broken; because the status quo has left us in exactly that space. [Interruption.] No, I won't. You've had over an hour to make your argument, and if you've left it until now then I'm sorry.
The macro-economic levers are held at Westminster. Those are the powers that can make a real difference, and successive UK Governments have let us down and have left us poor. You've let us down. You're keeping us in poverty, so give us the powers and we'll do a better job. Not a half-cocked power arrangement to do a little bit of this and a little bit of that; not the crumbs from the table, as Mabon ap Gwynfor told us. And it should start with honouring your broken promises on post-Brexit funding, and give us the powers.