6. Statement by the Minister for Social Justice: Tackling institutionalised and systemic racism — Anti-racist Wales Action Plan

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:06 pm on 7 June 2022.

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Photo of Jane Hutt Jane Hutt Labour 4:06, 7 June 2022

Diolch. Thank you for such powerful statements, which indeed show just the strength of the coming together in our co-operation agreement, about the importance of strength, which I believe could come from across this Chamber, but it has to be delivered as a result of our joint commitment and the sharing of our goals and values in the co-operation agreement. I think it's important that it is expressed and publicly clear as a high-profile commitment, the 'Anti-racist Wales Action Plan', in both our programme for government and the co-operation agreement. I'm pleased that we've had productive discussions, you've had an opportunity to review the 'Anti-racist Wales Action Plan', and actually you've influenced the fact that crime and justice particularly are being addressed. I have responded to some of those points, in terms of our determination to—. Even though it isn't devolved, we are moving on with the Commission on Justice in Wales, the Thomas commission, but also there's the recent jointly signed report by the Counsel General and me, and we are progressing this in terms of the opportunities that we have to influence the justice system in Wales.

I think the importance, really, that you focus on a number of areas of policy is crucial, but it has to be about leadership. We decided, as a result of the consultation—extensive consultation—that race equality action is not enough; it has to be very clearly stated as an anti-racist action plan. People have to embrace and recognise, as we do in Government, the institutionalised and systemic racism that actually holds people back and affects every minute of every day of their lives. We've learned this from working with the people we've worked with in terms of the steering group, the Wales race forum, which actually I've been working with for many years, who called for this to be an action plan—not another strategy, but a plan with those goals and actions to take forward. 

So, leadership within Welsh Government and across the public sector is crucial, and the zero tolerance of racism throughout the public sector. And also, only two and a half years ago, we launched the diversity and equality strategy for our public appointments. It was called, 'Reflecting Wales in Running Wales'. We know we have a long way to go to reflect Wales in running Wales, but if we can see that change by 2030—. We have power over this, we can make those changes, but you need goals and actions to do this. We need to remove the barriers and we need to use all the levers that we've got.

There are many issues relating to education, which I know the Minister for Education and Welsh Language will be mentioning and responding to in his statement. But, we have remit letters, we have financial arrangements, and, importantly, as you said, we have a new accountability group—you'll have heard about that this morning. Professor Emmanuel Ogbonna, who helped take us to this point, co-chairing with the Permanent Secretary, has made it clear right from the start that we need that accountability. We need a new accountability group, and I can assure you that I will make sure that we feed back to the Senedd. I know that they will want to feed back, I'm sure, to committees and to the Senedd as well what their expectations are.

We'll take actions to tackle racism in terms of monitoring actions annually through the accountability group, but it won't be just for us. Actually, someone said this morning—one of the speakers said—that this is about community accountability as well; it's about the accountability of all those public sector bodies, and that, of course, includes all the statutory bodies, but also business as well. So, chairs of public bodies will be pressed to proactively champion diversity and inclusion, including a performance objective around anti-racism.

I think it's also very important just to look at some of those wider issues that you raise. For example, in terms of the hate crime and victim support centre, I've already mentioned, in terms of children and young people, that we've now got a new team working to address hate crime.

As far as Senedd reform is concerned, I'm really pleased that we can learn from that in terms of the special purpose committee report that we will be debating tomorrow, because of that recommendation that there should be a further inquiry into the merits and implications of quotas, for example, for characteristics other than gender. We have a lot to learn, but we could lead the way in the UK, and we can certainly help lead the way in terms of looking at these issues, and I know that there's strong support for that. Local government: now we've gone through the elections, I'll be meeting all local government leaders very shortly to talk about the anti-racist action plan.

One of the recommendations that came—finally, Deputy Llywydd—from the socioeconomic report on the impact of coronavirus on black, Asian and minority ethnic people was that we needed a race disparity unit in the Welsh Government. Well, we've got one now. It was set up and it's part of an equality evidence unit, but there is an issue about data, particularly data that is held by the UK Government. So, the Wales Governance Centre has done some pioneering work, particularly led by Robert Jones, who's actually exposed the disproportionate impact of criminal justice, particularly on black, Asian and minority ethnic people and women. Well, we are going to, again, address that through working together. We met just a couple of weeks ago to talk about the ways in which we can work together with the Wales Governance Centre and the equality, race and disability evidence unit. And a commitment to sharing the justice element of the anti-racism Wales action plan, as part of our co-operation agreement with Plaid Cymru, and to start a conversation now about how we can work together, and, indeed, look to other research that will be helpful to this.

So, your commitment, your support is crucial for us to get this right, but you will have heard and seen this morning that there will be expectations, and the expectation on us as a Government has to be the key point. And I know that you will hold us to account, the people with lived experience of racism must and will hold us to account, and that's what we need to deliver on the anti-racist action plan.