7. Statement by the Deputy Minister for Arts and Sport, and Chief Whip: Culture and Heritage Update: Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic History, Culture and Heritage

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:37 pm on 7 June 2022.

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Photo of Heledd Fychan Heledd Fychan Plaid Cymru 4:37, 7 June 2022

Thank you, Deputy Minister, for your statement today. There are many things that you outlined that I would of course welcome, in particular your comment in relation to the role that national organisations and local cultural sectors have to play in creating an anti-racist Wales. And to become anti-racist, of course, it is important that we are clear today why this action plan is so necessary. And whilst you rightly pointed out some of the things that have changed, it is clear that more action is needed and that it will take all of us working together to change this. We also need to be clear that it's not going to be easy. We've already seen some of the national institutions be challenged on their work on decolonisation facing vile abuse online and being questioned by those who don't agree with Wales's direction here. We also need to be very clear that we are taking a different direction to England in terms of our culture and heritage and that it's something that we should be proud of, but not become complacent about. It is very easy to congratulate ourselves when things are progressing, but it is very clear that Wales is anti-racist at present and that those ugly racist comments faced by organisations, such as National Museum Wales around Thomas Picton, are out there. So, our support here today and throughout the coming years is vital for those national institutions, as they take forward this important and vital work.

There is a clear emphasis in your statement about how organisations should better engage with black, Asian and minority ethnic people, but key to this, of course, is for these organisations to become more representative of Wales themselves. I'm pleased to see in the action plan, in relation to culture, heritage and sport, a commitment to ensuring that more applications are made by black, Asian and minority ethnic people, but crucially more appointments too, as employees and also as board members. This is crucial if we consider some of the stats available to us in relation to public appointments, in particular within your portfolio. For instance, in 2019-20, Arts Council of Wales data showed that there were 17 black, Asian and minority ethnic people out of 349 overall on boards of management, in 39 of its regularly funded organisations. We're also aware, of course, that no-one non-white applied for the role of chair of Sport Wales. There is work for us to do in this area. And elsewhere in the plan, there are specific actions in relation to public appointments, but I want to ask specifically in relation to your portfolio, Deputy Minister: do you agree that greater diversity and representation within our public bodies is necessary, not only to provide equal leadership opportunities, but to ensure the best delivery of cultural services for all citizens of Wales?

I would also like to ask if the Deputy Minister is working with officials to modernise the appointment process, to improve accessibility and transparency. It would be helpful to understand what progress has been made regarding the implementation of, and improvement being seen as part of the 'Reflecting Wales in Running Wales' strategy, specifically within the culture, heritage and sport sector.

You also referenced in your statement something that our colleague referenced, that 41 local museums took part in innovative training and support programmes funded by Welsh Government. I'm obviously very pleased to hear that the feedback was positive from those that attended, but there is also a significant proportion of local museums that didn't participate. Why was this, Deputy Minister? Was it only open to a certain number of participants? And if not, if people chose not to attend or couldn't attend, will it become mandatory for all accredited museums to participate?

The one concern I have from the funding announced is that some will apply and will take forward this work, but there will be some organisations in Wales left behind and not working towards realising our shared vision of an anti-racist Wales. I appreciate in your response to Tom Giffard that you mentioned that this was specifically a statement around culture and heritage, but obviously, as you've acknowledged, sport is hugely important as part of this. And I would welcome a future statement specifically in relation to sport, if you would be willing to do so, Minister, because, obviously, this is crucial. We want people participating in every aspect of life here in Wales and for every aspect to become anti-racist. And as culture and sport are so integral and intertwined, I think it's crucial that those are reflected and that we hear from you further on that matter. Diolch.