Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:43 pm on 8 June 2022.
I'm grateful to you, Deputy Presiding Officer and, like others this afternoon, I'd like to start my contribution by thanking all the members of the committee that looked at this and thanking Huw Irranca-Davies for his leadership of that committee. I'd even extend my thanks to Darren Millar. I accept he was placed in a difficult situation, but I know he also sought compromise on these matters over the period within which he served as a member of that committee, and I think in sometimes quite fractious debates we should always seek to recognise that contribution made by Members with whom we will disagree.
Like others, I also am compromising in my support for these proposals. Members who know me know that I would prefer single transferable vote. It's only the Labour Party that can have a debate where 87 per cent of its delegates vote for something and that proposal loses. Most members of the Labour Party will support STV, in my view. The majority—the vast majority—of our conference in Brighton last year voted for STV. It is the view of most party members, and I wish it was the system that we were moving forward with with this proposal.
Let me say this: I have also, again, like Darren, struggled with the issue of open and closed lists. I'm astonished by regional Conservative Members arguing over this matter, because they were all elected on closed lists. They didn't seem to understand that. It's quite something, actually: you don't even understand the system that you were elected under. But I've struggled with this, and let me say this, let me say this—. They're also elected under D'Hondt by the way—you don't understand that either.
But let me say this, let me say this, and I think Mark Drakeford said this very clearly, and he spoke of me when he was saying it, but it's a matter of head and heart with me as well, because I do believe—and I think Sioned Williams spoke on this very persuasively in her contribution—that we need a Parliament that doesn't just do the job, but a Parliament that speaks for the nation and the country, and that means a Parliament where diversity and gender don't happen by accident or because one political party determines it has to happen, but it's part of the DNA of who and what we are. And I was persuaded over closed lists because I believe it is the most effective way of ensuring that we have the gender balance and the diversity that make our Parliament truly representative of our nation. I'll give way.