6. Debate on the Report of the Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform — Reforming our Senedd: A stronger voice for the people of Wales

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:38 pm on 8 June 2022.

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Photo of Llyr Gruffydd Llyr Gruffydd Plaid Cymru 5:38, 8 June 2022

No, I won't, sorry, because people have had their opportunity to contribute. They're unelected and, of course, many of them are appointed against the recommendation and advice of the appointments commissioner. Well, who was on about jobs for the boys five minutes ago? Who's been on about backroom deals and dark corridors? And when it comes to cost, we know that the House of Lords costs taxpayers £15 million a year in daily allowances alone. 'How many doctors and nurses is that?' I don't hear you say. You know, the refurbishment of the Palace of Westminster is going to be in the billions—some figures up to £18 billion. Eighteen billion pounds. That's eighteen thousand million pounds. And you're not bothered by that, but yet, when we talk about strengthening Welsh democracy, 'Oh, no. No, no, no. We can't have that, it costs too much. We need a referendum.' Come on. Your hypocrisy absolutely turns my stomach.

Right, I'm going to say what I was supposed to say now.