I have to say that I was somewhat surprised to see this item on our order paper for this afternoon and the debate that's been taking place. I do agree with much of what the Minister said in opening the debate, but I always find debates on these matters somewhat unsatisfying and, ultimately, disappointing. Because what tends to happen—and we saw this from some of the Conservative speakers this afternoon—is people on both sides of the debate, either strongly in favour of devolution or strongly opposed to devolution, exhibiting the weak and feeble thinking that leads to unconvincing and inadequate policy. What we need to do is to understand what the problems are that we want to fix. There are serious issues here to be addressed, and I believe, Minister, that we should do so in the way that Welsh Labour tends to address these issues, which is to put the interests of the people of Wales first, second and third.

I agree very much with what the Minister said in her analysis of some of the issues facing us. The current systems we have of regulations and the structures and frameworks we have are simply not fit for purpose, and they're not delivering what we require as a nation. As somebody who was brought up in an English-speaking community, our culture, our national expression has no place in today's media landscape; it has no place at all. And for that reason, I believe that regulation has failed. The points that have been made by Members of Plaid Cymru in this debate are absolutely correct: there has been a failure to deliver accurate news on different broadcast outlets; there has been a failure to deliver the news about this place and about the governance of our country. That is a failure of regulation and it is a failure of Ofcom. Ofcom doesn't have the resources in Wales to deliver the sorts of regulation that we require, and simply to make excuses, as the Conservatives have done this afternoon, is to let down the people they seek to represent. It's simply not good enough to say that because we have some excellence in programme making, some excellence in production, some excellence in creative industries, therefore we need no further support at all, what we've got is enough and we should be pleased with it. That is not good enough. I want more for my country.

We do need accountability for some of these matters as well. I've disagreed, I'm afraid, as ever, with almost everybody in the Chamber on some of these issues. For me, I do not like Ministers making appointments. I remember a Conservative Minister being very, very clear when I was in Government that they wanted not the best person for the job—[Interruption.] You've only just come in, James, so keep your mouth shut. They didn't want the best person for the job; they wanted the Conservative appointee for the job, and that should not be happening in broadcasting. And for that reason, I believe that it is right and proper that broadcasting, as a subject, should be accountable to this Parliament and to other parliaments and not to Ministers and not to governments. It's too important to allow individual governments, whoever they may be, to take accountability for these matters. But we need to have far more accountability and far more action to address the disinformation and misinformation that exists today.

But we need to look to the future as well. My 11-year-old son doesn't watch the BBC, he doesn't watch S4C, he doesn't watch any of it; he watches YouTube, he watches Netflix. You tell me how an economic regulator in Wales is going to regulate Netflix. Let me tell you: it ain't going to happen. And if you do Wales down in that way, there'll be less regulation and not more regulation; there'll be less accountability and not more accountability. And let me say this, as well: Radio 2 will still be broadcasting if these matters are devolved. Boris Johnson, or somebody who will, no doubt, replace him in the next couple of months, will still be making inaccurate remarks about what happens where and who governs what part of policy. Yet there will be no form of regulation that will be able to tell that person, that office holder, that they need to be accountable for what they say. Because if we do not have a UK shared regulator that is able to do the work, we won't be able to say those things and we won't be able to have that level of regulation.

I'm glad the First Minister has joined us for this debate, because I think the real debate we need to have here isn't about whether or not we devolve broadcasting, but what is the purpose of the United Kingdom and what are the shared institutions and the shared values that we have to enable us all to see and feel a part of our national communities, wherever we happen to be in the United Kingdom. Surely, if the United Kingdom is to have a role in the future, it's to ensure that my 11-year-old can grow up seeing his English language identity safeguarded, portrayed on the screen, understood as part of our national community, and his Welsh language identity receiving exactly the same equality of esteem and place. If we're able to do that, the arguments that have dominated this debate for too long will simply fall away. We will have shared institutions with shared values and a shared vision of the future that we are all able, together, to deliver. Thank you.