I cannot support amendments 103 and 104. The retention of a backstop power to dissolve a higher education corporation is, in fact, necessary to ensure that, in very exceptional circumstances, and subject to safeguards and protections, arrangements can be made to smoothly and at appropriate speed dissolve a HEC and ensure arrangements can be made for the transfer of learners, property, rights and liabilities to other institutions in a controlled manner. As I say, it's a backstop power to ensure that we are able effectively to protect both public money and learner interests.

To address the points that Hefin David has raised, I do not intend this power to facilitate the Welsh Ministers dissolving higher education as part of some grand restructuring. The Welsh Ministers can make an Order without the consent of the higher education corporation in question only where they consider consent has been unreasonably—