Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:21 pm on 6 July 2022.
Can I just talk very quickly about Mabon ap Gwynfor's contribution as well, when he talked about over-tourism? I think the tourism industry wants to help solve the problems of over-tourism—it has said that it does—in those areas where the numbers of second homes are higher. But as Mark Isherwood said, that is a conflation of two different issues here, and, as a result, these businesses have been stifled with a huge increased tax burden to pay instead.
And finally from the Minister, I noted you talked a lot about a fair contribution, and as Sam Rowlands said, there was no recognition, I think, from the Minister that a fair contribution to a local area is a thriving economy in that area—those local businesses being open. And that's what tourists expect when they visit an area—they want a thriving local community as well, and without these businesses in that area, that simply may not happen.
And finally, I want to talk about the exemptions as well. We're doing this entirely the wrong way, Minister. We're being asked to vote to support this Bill today without knowing the exemptions that are going to follow. It's totally the wrong way round. [Interruption.] Absolutely.