Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:39 pm on 12 July 2022.
Of course there are areas that will save many, many lives, but you know as well as I do that if there's a road traffic accident close to a trauma centre, the hours of waiting go up for the A&E patients as those trauma casualties come in from road traffic accidents. So, that is not—. That's a completely wrong base on which to base it. This saves lives. This saves NHS resources, of course it does. Those 80 people should be saved from death and severe injury, and keep them out of the NHS. That's just a fallacy, the way that you're spinning that around. I've just said what I think about the way that you approach budgets, and I'm just reiterating it now.
Lower speeds mean that people feel more comfortable to walk and cycle. It's safer for children to walk to school, and older people also feel more able to travel independently and safely. I have a 20 mph limit very close to me, and the difference in that village has been absolutely extraordinary, with people out on its streets for the first time in years, able to walk around safely and not be looking over their shoulder all the time. It makes a huge difference to our safer communities. It makes them nicer places to live and work. And the idea that this isn't the case in rural areas is also a fallacy.
I know that you all think that your own inbox is some kind of scientific experiment in popularity and what this policy means, but, actually, we've conducted extensive research on this, and it's as popular in rural areas as it is in urban areas. People in rural areas do not feel safe on narrow country lanes with people going too fast. They do not. They do not feel safe to cycle, they do not feel safe to walk. This is not an urban/rural split, no matter how much you want to make it so. And in urban areas, 20 mph would seem like—. Well, I don't know when the last time was that I was able to get above about 6 mph in any urban area. So, the idea that 20 mph somehow restricts the timing of public transport and so on is nonsense. It probably will speed the number of cars actually travelling over our roads. So, that's just absolute nonsense.
We have a duty to the people of Wales to introduce this measure. It will be one of the things that we do first that we're criticised for by the Tories and then you closely follow. I can list them again if you like: the plastic bags, the organ donation. Let's hope that, one day, over the border will have free prescriptions as well, so you can follow our lead. [Interruption.] I think you've had quite a few interventions, Darren. I'm not taking any more.