Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:04 pm on 27 September 2022.
I agree that it is absolutely a punitive budget from the UK Government, and it speaks volumes that only the Conservative spokesperson this afternoon has got up to defend the Conservative budget this week. I'd be very interested to see what the other Conservative Members make of it, and those who don't feel like they have to stand up and defend it, because it's indefensible—that's why. And I think that this point is really important about the fact that it's poorer people who will be mostly disadvantaged, but it's just the attitude as well.
So, the UK Government thinks that rich people have to be incentivised with lots of cash to get out and do some work and to grow the economy. But, at the same end of things, they think that you have to give poorer people a good kicking because they should have that kind of incentive to get out and work, because what they're doing on universal credit is absolutely punitive. People who, for whatever reason, can only work a certain number of hours, they might have childcare—of course, this budget is very, very anti-women as well—they might have childcare responsibilities, they might be disabled and working as many hours as they possibly can, but now, if they don't go out and get another minimum-wage job, they will have their benefits sanctioned. And we know that people who have their benefits sanctioned, according to the National Audit Office, are more likely to just give up on benefits and stop claiming entirely than take other action. So, clearly, this budget is going to have the worst impact on the people who need the most assistance.