Questions Without Notice from the Party Leaders

Part of 1. Questions to the First Minister – in the Senedd at 1:59 pm on 4 October 2022.

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Photo of Mark Drakeford Mark Drakeford Labour 1:59, 4 October 2022

Well, Llywydd, it must be nearly a decade now since I first discussed with UK Conservative Ministers their plans to implement the Dilnot review. That never happened. More years went by. We did appear to reach a point under the last Prime Minister where there was to be a specific levy in order to create, as the then Prime Minister claimed, a sustainable future for social care and to deal with the financial consequences in the lives of individuals. Now that's gone as well. So, I agree with the leader of Plaid Cymru: that means we have to go back and revisit some of the work that was carried out here in Wales to see whether there is a Wales-only solution to this matter.

It is very complicated. I know that he will know this very well. The interface between the powers that we have in Wales and the charges we could levy against the powers that lie in Westminster, and particularly the decisions that are made in relation to the benefits system, mean that designing a levy in Wales that does not lead to Welsh citizens paying twice, paying a levy in Wales and finding that money taken away from Wales by decisions made in Westminster, designing a system that can offer us a guarantee that that cannot happen, is itself fiendishly complicated. But a lot of work has been done already, and in the light of what has happened across the border, and in particular in the light of what I believe now are likely to be significant further cuts to public expenditure here in Wales, of course we need to go back and revisit the work that we’ve already undertaken.